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(This is from an anti-D&D pamphlet that was first distributed in 1987 and is still being distributed among Christians today.)

They want our children.
They want our future.

With remarkable evangelistic zeal, the advocates of New Age thinking have captured the hearts and minds of thousands of kids through ingenious cartoons and movies, comics and toys, books and music. Featuring monsters, magic, violence, and sensuality, our children's popular culture has been transformed into a kind of "catechism of the New Age" -an introduction to occultism.

One of the chief weapons used in this spiritual raid on our children is a game-just a simple game. It is called Dungeons & Dragons and has sold millions of copies to youngsters all over America.

In this revealing booklet, authors Peter Leithart and George Grant show just exactly what this phenomenal game is, how it works, and why it is so popular. They also provide a Biblical critique of the game so that Christians can know how to respond.

If you've been looking for a short, concise, and accurate assessment of the current barrage of New Age ideas on our children and our future, look no more-you've found it.

Peter Leithard & George Grant, entrewave.com 95 Comments [8/18/2011 5:37:38 AM]
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anevilmeme

Isn't it funny how all of us who played D&D as kids didn't grow up to be Satan worshiping axe murderers?

Of course why should empirical evidence matter to fundies?

8/18/2011 5:46:09 AM

Doubting Thomas

I've known many Christians who have played D&D for years, and they are still Christians. I'm guessing that most people who have ever played D&D have grown up to be normal, well-adjusted human beings. Probably because, unlike fundies, they realize that it's just a fucking game.

8/18/2011 5:47:55 AM



Jesus Christ. As much as I hate to use cliches, this is old hat. Why don't these fundies go after something more recent, like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic? That way, others would at least see them as with the times, instead of behind them. Of course, that doesn't guarantee more support for them, but still.

8/18/2011 5:48:39 AM

Gabriel LaVedier

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is, like, anti-fundie. Love and tolerance? We can't have that! Suppoting them nigrahs and injuns? Scandalous! And goddesses? Fetch the smellin' salts!

Plus, Rainbow Dash. Rainbow effing Dash. Applejack knows well why she's too much for fundies.

8/18/2011 5:55:28 AM

nutbunny

They also provide a Biblical critique of the game so that Christians can know how to respond.

If fictional fun can get you to become less "Christian", then that speaks loads about your faith.

8/18/2011 5:59:37 AM

Zeus Almighty

Does anyone even PLAY D&D anymore?

8/18/2011 6:00:31 AM

Gawd


The anti-D&D crowd got a wholesale drubbing many years ago. Google Michael Stackpole's "The Pulling Report".

D&D is still going strong on its 4th edition. Long let it live.

8/18/2011 6:05:43 AM

Xotan

The Bible is full of Dungeons and Dragons, so why all the fuss?

8/18/2011 6:07:45 AM

John

There's always some nebulous "they" plotting against these people. What a sad world they live in.

8/18/2011 6:19:30 AM



Do fundies hate their kids being exposed to "occult fiction" so much because they know in their heart of hearts that fiction forms the basis of several billion people's worldview?

8/18/2011 6:27:08 AM

Mister Spak

Wait till you see these newfangled things called computer games . . .

8/18/2011 6:31:40 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Oh, geez. They're still going on about this? I think the biggest reason why these games are not Satanic is because you can't do magic in the real world by following any instructions in the game manuals. (Said instructions do not even exist.) Chick tracts are not documentaries. Also, there are tons of role-playing games, not just Dungeons & Dragons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think these people object nearly as strongly to video RPGs. It's all fiction; there's nothing New Age about it.

8/18/2011 6:31:47 AM

Vesus

So a woman who bases her life around an ancient fairy tale has dedicated said life to keeping children from enjoying fictional stories of mysticism and adventure.

*sigh*

8/18/2011 6:35:52 AM

dionysus

I'll let you in on a secret: we have this new thing called fiction. It's where you make something up but don't actually believe it. Kind of like the opposite of what fundies do with their made up information.

@#1322919

Why don't these fundies go after something more recent[?]

Because their preachers are far behind pop culture. Hell, Jack Chick still pulls the "Rock and Roll is the devil's music" bit that was already old 40 years ago.

8/18/2011 6:41:13 AM

jephkay

Oh... It wasn't D&D that led me away from God. It was science, logic and common-f'ing-sense.

8/18/2011 6:48:02 AM

Yownanymous

Why do I get the feeling if these sorts of people were actual D&D characters they'd be lawful evil Blackguards, Clerics and Necromancers? (Although, seeing as they're trying to sell cheaply-written bullshit, they may actually be evil rogues.)

And, unlike fundies, even though I am ridiculously into the fantasy genre as of late, I can tell the difference between bloody fiction and reality.

8/18/2011 7:02:38 AM

Horsefeathers

"(This is from an anti-D&D pamphlet that was first distributed in 1987 and is still being distributed among Christians today.)"

They're up to date as always, I see.

"They want our children.
They want our future."


They are FUNDIES!

Ahhhh!

*runs for the hills screaming*

"With remarkable evangelistic zeal, the advocates of New Age thinking have captured the hearts and minds of thousands of kids through ingenious cartoons and movies, comics and toys, books and music. Featuring monsters, magic, violence, and sensuality, our children's popular culture has been transformed into a kind of "catechism of the New Age" -an introduction to occultism."

Now you're just throwing a jumbled pile of words together--most of which you probably aren't sure the meaning of--and hoping something sticks.

"One of the chief weapons used in this spiritual raid on our children is a game-just a simple game. It is called Dungeons & Dragons and has sold millions of copies to youngsters all over America."

Oh, please. All the cool kids are playing MMORPGs now. You should be ranting and raving about World of Warcraft instead.

"In this revealing booklet, authors Peter Leithart and George Grant show just exactly what this phenomenal game is, how it works, and why it is so popular. They also provide a Biblical critique of the game so that Christians can know how to respond."

Oh, it's "revealing" alright, I'm sure. It reveals how fucking stupid they are.

"If you've been looking for a short, concise, and accurate assessment of the current barrage of New Age ideas on our children and our future, look no more-you've found it."

You wouldn't know "New Age" if it sat on you.

8/18/2011 7:13:53 AM

Toothygrin

@Zeus Almighty

Yes. I run a bi-monthly 3.5 game, with late-Gen-Xers and their teenage sons. Everyone has a great time. :)

8/18/2011 7:37:49 AM

Anon-e-moose

"If you've been looking for a short, concise, and accurate assessment of the current barrage of New Age ideas on our children and our future, look no more-you've found it."

My best friend is a long-time player/collector of RPGs (as well as wargames; from classic US/English Civil War, 18th/19th C battles to WH40K/Fantasy etc) - even to the quick/parody ones by Cheapass Games (he loves those! Especially 'Before I Kill You, Mr. Bond...!').

He's also a long-time Christian. But just your normal, average Church of England type; lives his life being as good and decent a person he can. In no way does he see his hobby as a threat to his beliefs in any way, shape or form. He's secure in his faith.

PROTIP: The Church of England is the basis of Modern Protestant Christianity.

Your call, Pete & George.

"One of the chief weapons used in this spiritual raid on our children is a game-just a simple game. It is called Dungeons & Dragons and has sold millions of copies to youngsters all over America."

(*Jarring chord*)

Nooooobody Expects The Fundie Inquisition!!!!111one1. Our chief weapon is prayer, prayer and scripture, scripture and prayer... our two weapons are prayer, scripture, and ruthless bullshitting... our *three* weapons are prayer, scripture, ruthless bullshitting, and an almost fanatical devotion to Rush Limbaugh...Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such diverse elements as prayer, scripture.... I'll come in again.

X3

"They want our children.
They want our future."

The documentary film "Jesus Camp". Your argument is invalid.

"They want our children"

And you don't?



http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/republican-list-of-paedophiles-shocking/

>_< XP

8/18/2011 7:38:48 AM

Flah

I wouldn't call D&D simple. Have you seen these rulebooks? Crikey!

8/18/2011 8:08:05 AM

Michael

Know how I can tell these people don't know anything about D&D? They think it's a "simple" game.

8/18/2011 8:25:51 AM



Isn't it funny how all of us who played D&D as kids didn't grow up to be Satan worshiping axe murderers?

Don't speak too quickly. I'm rolling a 20D right now to determine whether or not to let slip the dogs of war at lunch. You know, the ol' "grab a burger and go on a killing rampage" kinda break we all should have during our hectic work days. [/humor]

Does anyone even PLAY D&D anymore?

Don't have the time for an all-weekend campaign like back in high school, but my friends and I still get together one night a month for a few hours of AD&D. Still have my 2nd Edition books but am kicking myself like mad for selling my 1st Editions.

8/18/2011 8:32:53 AM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Pure bullshit since 1987!

8/18/2011 8:34:07 AM

Bollox

Wait, there's sensuality in D&D? Who knew?

8/18/2011 8:37:27 AM

Necronomikron

*looks* *goes back to planning his D&D game for tonight*

8/18/2011 8:44:51 AM
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