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The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle with the complexities involving same-sex orientation. Nor should a parent be forced to educate their child on these issues before that child is mature enough to understand and cope with those complexities. Unfortunately, the current culture is going to force parents and church leaders to address the issues surrounding homosexuality and same-sex marriage with younger and younger kids. When Tommy comes home from preschool and asks, “Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?” we must be ready to provide sound answers grounded in compassion and truth. Theirs will be a generation that must face an assault upon their innocence unlike any generation before.

Jeff Buchanan, Joe. My. God. 82 Comments [8/20/2011 5:24:28 AM]
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Following your logic, why not not talking about racism?

8/20/2011 5:32:08 AM

cdcdrr

Why do moral guardians insist children are innocent? Do they have any idea what's involved with playing doctor?

8/20/2011 5:41:22 AM

Xotan

Strangely I do agree with jeff Buchanan to a large extent. it is a product of the comsumer society that children are being sexualised too early. On the other hand, if a child asks a question about sex - any question, and any variation of the sexual gamut, then an honest answer is require, always geared towards the child's capacity to understand. And in this regard, I knew that I was gay certainly before I was nine. I couldn't have put a word to it, but my difference from other boys was clear enough. So lets not take children for fools. Give them the information, but appropriate to their capacity.

8/20/2011 5:43:15 AM

John_in_Oz

Kids don't have a problem with the idea of people liking the same sex. Where kids have a problem is in understanding how anyone could like the opposite sex!

8/20/2011 6:05:55 AM

The_L

"When Tommy comes home from preschool and asks, “Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?” we must be ready to provide sound answers grounded in compassion and truth."

This directly contradicts your first two sentences, Jeff.

And how does it hurt a child's innocence for him/her to know that some men fall in love with other men, and some women fall in love with other women? Oh wait. "Gay recruitment."

8/20/2011 6:08:33 AM

Murf

It's not complicated at all. Look:

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Tommy: Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?

Tommy's mum: Well, Tommy, sometimes, two boys will fall in love, just like a boy and a girl can. And sometimes, they will adopt a little girl like Jennifer so that they can have a bigger family.

Tommy: Oh, okay.

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Not difficult or complex at all.


8/20/2011 6:13:06 AM

Doctor Whom

The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle with the complexities involving sexuality at all. Everyone should be brought up in a single-parent family.

8/20/2011 6:13:43 AM

Deep Search

Really? I bet they wouldn't have an issue explaining why some kids only have one parent or why some have a step-parent or whatever. It's too hard to say "it's the same thing as a mom and a dad being together, only it's two dads together." You don't even have to throw in any hate-filled, disgusting, vitriol that fundies just love to spew forth...

8/20/2011 6:17:22 AM

LDM

Funny, my niece has a child with gay parents in her class, neither the kids nor their parents think it's a big deal. In fact they're a very well liked family in their community, and their daughter is healthy, happy and bright. My brother and SiL are actually thrilled that their daughter is friends with her, and that their children are getting exposed to different types of families and people. (Their children's school is a fundie's nightmare-very progressive, and very multicultural)



8/20/2011 6:41:04 AM

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@ murf: i hope for you that the kid is not going through his "why" phase, viz, asking why over and over again... in that case, it would be hilarious going into college level stuff and seeing the poor kid's eyes go "waitwut".

on the innocence of kids: kids are cruel, kids are curious, and kids don't have any qualms regarding taboos. you can speak to them clearly, intelligently, and frankly in simple english. they'll get the message.
explaining to a kid homosexuality is easier to explain than, say, a divorce (leaves the kid wondering if the same will happen), or a single parent(be it death or abandonment). if the kid has doubts, they'll grow on him if it's been badly explained. homosexuality is a reality, and not one to scar a kid if he understands that the people are happy. it's a normal part of life, and i'd rather educate my kids with a view that accepts different lifestyles (be it religion, music, sports, culture, or yes homosexuality) than raise an intolerant bigot, if only for the sake that he won't spew such intolerant views on others.

re: "heirs will be a generation that must face an assault upon their innocence unlike any generation before."

rule 34, tentacle porn. your argument is invalid. yes they face that assault, but not from teh gayz, but from teh interwebz.



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8/20/2011 6:42:27 AM

Giveitaday

The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle with the complexities involving same-sex orientation.

Same sex relationships are no more or less complex than hetero relationships.

Nor should a parent be forced to educate their child on these issues before that child is mature enough to understand and cope with those complexities

No one is being "forced" to educate their chidren about homosexuality. But homosexuals do and will continue to exist and it is not incumbent upon them to shelter your child for you.

Unfortunately, the current culture is going to force parents and church leaders to address the issues surrounding homosexuality and same-sex marriage with younger and younger kids.

First, this has nothing to do with church "leaders", it's not their place to educate your children on these matters, it's yours. Second, Neither the "culture", nor the government has the power to "force" you to address the issue of homosexuality with your children.

When Tommy comes home from preschool and asks, “Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?” we must be ready to provide sound answers grounded in compassion and truth.

The fact you may feel "inconvenienced" is not now, nor will it ever be, justification to deny others the rights you so freely enjoy. You do not have the right to not be inconvenienced, nor do you have the right to not be offended.

8/20/2011 6:48:09 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

...but forcing complex mysteries of religious bullshit should be forced on children from day one ... regardless of wether the parents want their child indoctrinated or not...am I right?

Welcome to America... where ignorance is the accepted norm

8/20/2011 6:48:52 AM

Cy

Translation: We've got to be ready to indoctrinate our children to hate even when they're really young, or they might actually grow up unbigoted!

...really, same-sex couples aren't any more complicated than opposite-sex ones. The only reason a child would even even ask is because it's less common, and then it's perfectly easy to explain if you're not a bigot. The only time it becomes "complex" is when you're falling over yourself to make up reasons why it's somehow bad.

8/20/2011 7:00:11 AM

Extraintrovert

Children are far more intelligent and observant than the vast majority of people acknowledge, or even want to acknowledge. Whenever a child is told any variant of "I'll tell you when you're older" not only is their natural curiosity stifled, being shunned for asking questions, but it also prompts them to search for other sources of information, which especially in the age of the internet leaves them vulnerable to acquiring a warped understanding. Whenever my youngest brother asks something I give him an honest answer, and while I guarantee a lot of people would balk at him, for example, knowing what rape is and making bad rape jokes in an attempt at "shock humour", that simply prompts further explanation, discussion and understanding. It isn't ideal, but it's better that he asks these questions with people he knows and trusts rather than fellow people his age who know as little as he does. It doesn't matter how much you try and shield them, children will want to know, and it's best to discuss it with them yourself. But as with any cult or totalitarian ideal, the best method of control is always restricting information.

Also, Doctor Whom wins the comments.

8/20/2011 7:01:16 AM

Nicole

Apparently, fundies like Jeff think children are all little idiots.

8/20/2011 7:03:46 AM

Draken

“Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?” -- Because they love each other and adopted a child. Simple.

8/20/2011 7:06:52 AM

Raised by Horses

"Mommy, why is daddy a bigoted asshole?"

8/20/2011 7:14:12 AM

Zeus Almighty

"When Tommy comes home from preschool and asks, “Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?” we must be ready to provide sound answers grounded in compassion and truth."

Jeff's "compassionate and truthful" answer: Well, Tommy, that's because they hate god and are going to burn horribly in hell forever 'n ever.

Yeah, teaching kids that two people love each other is bad, but filling their heads full of ideas of eternal punishment for pissing off Sky Daddy for acting on natural urges is healthy.
Remind me again, who's the sick person in this scenario?

8/20/2011 7:17:40 AM

John

Nor should a parent be forced to educate their child on these issues before that child is mature enough to understand and cope with those complexities.

They're not. A teacher who works with children every day is in a lot better position to know when a child is "mature enough" than the parents are. Many parents have no idea what their kids are doing when they're not around - they naively think "mature enough" is about 5 years too late, by which time the kids have already picked up all sorts of nonsense on the street from friends who don't know anything more than they do.

8/20/2011 7:21:36 AM

snowjohnson

Oh no! You mean my child may learn about different family structures. I demand schools bring back the barefoot and in the kitchen teachings. Think of the children.

8/20/2011 7:24:57 AM

Mister Spak

"The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle with the complexities involving same-sex orientation"

It is a sign of fundie mental insufficiency that you think there is somethin complex about this.

8/20/2011 7:33:58 AM

TGRwulf

Yeah, except an actual honest answer about the truth would not be compliceated at all.

EDIT: Damn, beaten to it.

8/20/2011 7:40:33 AM

Lee

Why do I have a mummy and a daddy? How is that any easier to explain to a five year old.

8/20/2011 7:52:01 AM

N. De Plume

If you really can’t handle the details, “That’s just the way some families are,” is both an honest and an innocence-sparing answer. If the kid insists, “I’ll tell you when your older,” has always been a popular defense.

In any case, innocence is overrated. Indeed, when people talk about maintaining innocence, they usually really mean they are trying to leave their kid defenseless and unable to cope with whatever supposedly-threatening issues on their own.

8/20/2011 8:11:31 AM

Reynardine

It's already happened for generations. Joke around when I was a kid (long time ago): Hollywood kid to another Hollywood kid: We have a new daddy. Other Hollywood kid: Oh, you'll like him. We had him last year. Lots of daddies (or sometimes mommies) in series have been happening a long time. In parallel wouldn't be all that different.

8/20/2011 8:31:21 AM
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