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The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle with the complexities involving same-sex orientation. Nor should a parent be forced to educate their child on these issues before that child is mature enough to understand and cope with those complexities. Unfortunately, the current culture is going to force parents and church leaders to address the issues surrounding homosexuality and same-sex marriage with younger and younger kids. When Tommy comes home from preschool and asks, “Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?” we must be ready to provide sound answers grounded in compassion and truth. Theirs will be a generation that must face an assault upon their innocence unlike any generation before.

Jeff Buchanan, Joe. My. God. 82 Comments [8/20/2011 5:24:28 AM]
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Jeff Buchanan is absolutely right. Children who have to witness the deaths of their parents, or are kidnapped to become child soldiers, or are raped, or put into prostitution have nothing on those poor middle-class American kids who have to ask about their friend's two mommies.

8/20/2011 8:52:17 AM


Please provide evidence for
1) Knowledge of same-sex orientation having different effects on children from knowledge of opposite-sex orientation
2) Knowledge of same-sex orientation having negative effects on children

BTW, what about Jennifer herself in this fictional scenario, how is she doing?

8/20/2011 8:59:58 AM


I learned about sex when I was 10 or so. I had previously reasoned there had to be something more to the process of making babies than I had been told, because all I had been told was that pregnancy was something that could happen after marriage, and I saw no logical reason why the signing of the marriage contract would make it happen.

8/20/2011 9:04:05 AM


Jennifer has two daddies because her daddies are in love. This isn't rocket science. It's easy. I don't even know this hypothetical Jennifer kid and I can come up with a simple, very probable answer.

8/20/2011 9:09:27 AM


It's not difficult at all and I can even tailor it to two different scenarios, watch:

Child: Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?

Me: Jennifer's daddy was with her mommy before he met Bill. He and Jen's mommy stopped being together and he met Bill and fell in love, now they all work together to take care of her.


Me: Jen's daddy met Bill and they fell in love and decided that they wanted a family to share that love with, so they adopted Jen.

Can't you fundies handle anything kindly, without a little hand-holding? Yeesh!

8/20/2011 10:00:03 AM

Because answering, "they are gay." Is so hard to do.

8/20/2011 10:13:01 AM


And what if your child was friends with the little girl who got beaten to death by her fundie parents for mispronouncing a word in bible study? Or the one who died because her parents decided to pray over her diabetes instead of getting her medical treatment?

How do you explain that to your child?

8/20/2011 10:56:07 AM


So children are "innocent". Really? What happened to Original Sin. But I guess children are 'innocent" when it suits your purpose.

8/20/2011 10:56:32 AM

What in the hell is wrong with saying, "Sometimes two men fall in love and have a family?" That's all. You don't have to detail their sexual practices, just as you don't have to with straight people. You don't tell your kids, "Mr. So-and-So didn't pull out in time and that's how your friend came about." You tell them, "Sally's parents fell in love and had a family."

8/20/2011 11:33:49 AM


How hard is to say people form a lot of different types of long term partnerships?

8/20/2011 11:37:52 AM


"The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle with the complexities involving same-sex orientation."

Or right-wing Fundamentalist Chistianity, for that matter.

8/20/2011 11:41:33 AM

Old Viking

Get yourself off the hook. Tell the child that God hates a person who asks a lot of questions.

8/20/2011 12:34:42 PM


Oh no, kids would have to deal with THOUGHT-PROVOKING ISSUES!

8/20/2011 12:55:11 PM


Jeff is still waiting for "the talk"

8/20/2011 1:16:50 PM


You know, sheltering your children from actual reality that they are probably going to encounter sometime regardless is really stupid and pointless.

Not telling children about homosexuality doesn't make it not exist.

And despite your claim, it's not a complex issue.

8/20/2011 1:50:02 PM


We both have different definitions of innocence, Mr. Buchanan.

@ cdcdrr

You are far too correct. Children seem innocent, but they aren't. Why are there bullies?

Oh, and I saw a hilarious video with children being asked about how Charlie Sheen should die in two and a half men. Most of the kids were quite sadistic. Sure, their answers were a bit silly, like "a gun loaded with swords and things that can kill", but still.

8/20/2011 1:54:52 PM

Oh please. You think explaining to a child that two people of the same sex can love each other is too mature for them but teaching them the Bible with its hell, genocide, rape, and incest is kosher? And I bet that while you think tolerance is "over their heads" teaching hate somehow isn't.

8/20/2011 2:04:27 PM


If you don't make a big deal out of it, there will be no wrestling to be done.

8/20/2011 2:09:10 PM

Doubting Thomas

The way families are split up and blended these days, it's not unusual for a child to have two "daddies" or "mommies." The nuclear family of a mother, a father, and 2.3 children is not the norm any more. I agree that we need to provide sound answers grounded in compassion and truth, but I'm not worried about childrens' innocence being at stake.

8/20/2011 2:33:24 PM


The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle naked with his clergyman. Nor should a parent be forced to deal with the guilt caused by the clergyman/rapist he told his son/daughter they could trust. When Tommy comes home from church and asks, "Why did Father Mahony make my suck his peepee?" we must be ready to provide sound answers grounded in compassion and truth. Theirs will be a generation that must face an assault upon their innocence unlike any generation before.

Ahem. Fixed.

8/20/2011 2:36:55 PM


Now if they could just get this same attitude towards religion...

8/20/2011 3:37:29 PM


Should we not teach kids about race, as they are required to wrestle with complexities beyond their grasp? What about religion? Should that subject not be breached until they are old enough to decide for themselves?

8/20/2011 3:57:58 PM

Gotta work hard to keep kids innocent until they day they magically become mature even though we're shielding them from life. It's what Jesus would want, that's why we don't talk about his horrific torture and murder.

8/20/2011 4:18:53 PM

Percy Q. Shunn

Umm, we've already seen what happens when the church gets involved with kids...

8/20/2011 4:29:32 PM


Jeff, you're an inbred douche bag.

8/20/2011 4:38:45 PM

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