Quote# 83300

The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle with the complexities involving same-sex orientation. Nor should a parent be forced to educate their child on these issues before that child is mature enough to understand and cope with those complexities. Unfortunately, the current culture is going to force parents and church leaders to address the issues surrounding homosexuality and same-sex marriage with younger and younger kids. When Tommy comes home from preschool and asks, “Why does my friend Jennifer have two daddies?” we must be ready to provide sound answers grounded in compassion and truth. Theirs will be a generation that must face an assault upon their innocence unlike any generation before.

Jeff Buchanan, Joe. My. God. 82 Comments [8/20/2011 5:24:28 AM]
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Grow up and explain shit. You conservatives are the ones howling about personal responsibility, and it's not everyone ELSE'S responsibility to keep shit YOU don't want to explain away from your kid. Put your money where your mouth is.

Then again, sticking money up your asshole takes it out of circulation.

Also, innocence is overrated and a quality possessed by very few non-fictional children in the first place. You don't have to know what sex is to be an immoral little bastard.

8/20/2011 4:41:23 PM


Sorry, double posted.

8/20/2011 4:42:13 PM


I've known about 'the gayz' since I was a kid and I turned out fine. Oh wait, no, I'm a liberal atheist and am therefore the devil.

8/20/2011 4:51:41 PM

Steve From Accounting

I saw a 3 year old flip off her brother today. So lemme just ask: WHAT INNOCENCE?

8/20/2011 8:06:22 PM


Surely this is the only generation that has had to deal with sex! I mean, all that AIDS stuff is a bunch of bullshit, right?
Hate to break it to you, but if you just say that "Some boys like boys and some girls like girls", they'll leave it at that. You'd be surprised how accepting children are. That's why they're so easy to brainwash and indoctrinate.

8/20/2011 8:20:39 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

sound answers grounded in compassion and truth.

I agree. Such as, "Jennifer has two daddies because some daddies like other daddies, and some mommies like other mommies. There's nothing wrong with it, no matter what anyone else says."

8/20/2011 8:45:27 PM


If a child is too immature to 'wrestle with the complexities involving same-sex orientation' then they're too immature to wrestle with the impossible nonsense of 'The Trinity' too (Christ was wholly man and wholly God?) or the idiocy known as 'Original Sin' for that matter.
Allow no child into a Church until they're sixteen, let the Xtians scream.

8/20/2011 11:25:10 PM


The innocence of a child should not be required to wrestle with the complexities involved in sexuality, stupid.

What do you say when little Tommy comes home and asks "Why does my friend Jennifer only have a mummy, no daddy?"?
How hard is it to say "your daddy fell in love with your mummy, Jennifer's daddy Brian fell in love with her daddy John"?
Kids will get used to the idea and it won't bother them, it's just how it is.

But, that's what's really bothering you, isn't it? That no-one will mind about people's sexuality any more.

8/20/2011 11:39:34 PM


Sure is coded speech in here.

8/21/2011 4:08:44 AM


Teh only reason why fundies like Jeff feel so uncomfortable about explaining homosexuality to children is because they can't think of any explanation that doesn't involve ranting about the evils of anal sex and how people are going to hell for it. In other words, it's their inability to admit that gay marriage is just like straight marriage (in that it is merely about caring for each other) that causes their problem, nothing else.

8/21/2011 5:08:26 AM


I find it fairly amusing that right-wingers bitch about the "think about the children" line of reasoning when it is applied to things like gun control, the environment, education, school lunches, health care, or anything other policy that happens to be sane... but when it comes to controlling lifestyles of which they don't approve they'll throw that argument out there without a moment's hesitation.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not surprised even a little bit when it happens. EVERYTHING they complain about regarding the left is stuff they tend to do ten times worse. It's just that it never fails to amuse me. :-)

Small piece of advice for Mr. Buchanan -- when one of your kids asks why little Jennifer has two daddies, you really don't have to delve into all the gory details of anal sex. Also -- telling your kids that "some men really hate the Lord so they buttfuck each other to rebel against his holy commands" does NOT make for an "honest explanation."

8/21/2011 5:18:01 AM


I'm sure we can trust you to lie through your teeth about it to your children and state something intolerant.

8/21/2011 2:30:59 PM


Kid's are not "innocent." Kids are little assholes. When I was a kid I used to play dolls with this girl up the street who was three years younger than me. Whenever we were playing house with my dolls, she would always make my male dolls violently hump my Barbie dolls.

8/21/2011 7:59:01 PM

Burning Stake

The comedian Louis CK has a great bit on this old "Will somebody please think of the children?!" line:

"You should stop your whole lifestyle so that I don't have to talk to my kid!" (link goes to Youtube video. Specific quote is at about 1:20.)

TheJebusFire: Wow. I hope that was because she accidently one time saw her mommy loving daddy in a "special" way and not, you know, child molestation.

8/22/2011 3:11:22 AM


"Because sometimes men are in love with ladies and sometimes men are in love with other men". Simple.

8/22/2011 5:12:27 AM


I don't think many kids really "wrestle" with sexual orientation. They just think, people like other people.
I don't see how is telling your child "her daddies just love each other" so tough. Kids sometimes ask questions that are waay harder (or awkward for the parent).

8/22/2011 12:20:12 PM

Steven Mading

Children at the age where they don't understand sex yet still commonly ask embarrassing questions where the full honest answer would involve explaining sex to them when you don't think they're old enough yet. Any question along the lines of "where do babies come from" is like that. So why does this asswipe think it's any worse when the subject is gay people?

8/22/2011 1:30:19 PM


My daughter was 4 when she asked me why she has a belly button. So what's a mother to do but to honestly explain why.
The older she got the more questions came up. And because I answered them all honestly and with no shame or lies she now knows about sexuality, protection, pregnancy, and most important of all LOVE - Love between (concenting) humans!
I suggest this approach to you and your child, Jeff! It's healthy!

8/22/2011 1:31:59 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

Fundy gladly use children as their excuse to force their cult views upon our society.

Well..in the name of the innocent children, I can use that excuse for anything.

Someone remind them that all children are born atheist, and REMAIN atheist until religion is forced upon them. By forcing religion upon them, you have tainted their innocence.

8/22/2011 3:12:38 PM


You do know that most people (men and women) start to masturbate when they're children, right? (We're talking long before hitting their teenage years; yes, people who work in sex education - the legitimate ones - have known this for years.) So kids already have an idea what sex is; they're exploring their own.

What's the big deal if you have to explain where a baby comes from or why those 2 guys or 2 women are holding hands?

8/22/2011 5:35:37 PM


...I'm pretty sure the generation that first got television without heavy censorship was coping with a much greater assault. Those with unrestricted access to the internet, likewise.

8/23/2011 8:19:49 AM


Jeff Buchanan is right. For children of fundies to learn about homosexuality and subsequently ask this question might cause problems down the road. Here's why:

Child: Why does my friend have two daddies?

Parent: Um, um (pauses with a shocked, fearful look on his face, thinking "why God did you let my child get exposed to this?") you know how men and women fall in love with each other?

Child: Yes

Parent: Well, sometimes men fall in love with men and women fall in love with women.

Child: Oh. OK.

Parent: (quickly interjecting) BUT I need to make it very clear God does NOT approve of that. It is a sin, your friends parents will burn in hell for it. Stay away from them and stay away from that kind of lifestyle! The right thing to do is for a man to be in love with a woman, OK.

Child: (looking confused and bewildered, wondering why daddy is so angry) OK.

So in a very indirect way the children of fundies may wind up damaged emotionally if they learn a friend has gay parents, asks their own parents what that means, are told it is a sin, and then turn out to be gay themselves!

Of course here the blame lies on teaching bigotry to your children, not on homosexuality.

8/23/2011 11:55:44 PM


"Theirs will be a generation that must face an assault upon their innocence unlike any generation before."

Or they'll grow up a more informed and tolerant generation. Kids are much more able to assimilate new ideas than you give them credit for, you know.

8/24/2011 4:38:12 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Oh please, like your lot would EVER pass up a chance to lecture a child about sin-and-damnation-and-how-we-have-to-keep-those-disgusting-folks-who-are-different-from us-away-to-protect-our-god-given-purity-and-now-let-us-pray

8/24/2011 6:36:01 AM


I will now (semi?) quote an author I am currently reading, ahem:
"Children are not innocent, they are merely sheltered."

8/26/2011 4:45:23 AM

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