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Science has no moral value, so in science there is no such thing as evil. If we are going to hand our Nation over to science as our God, abandoning our roots in the Bible we are going to end up with something that no good man can stand to live in, as no innocence or possesion will not be exploited and destroyed for anothers mans pleasure.

Science does not believe in innocence, love, joy, peace or God.

Those things are not scientific, and cannot be measured. However science, and our government is interested in the levels of attraction gay men have for what lengths of penis. That is measureable and is worth spending millions of tax dollars on.

Like Bob Dillon said, “You gotta serve somebody, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord, but your gonna have to serve somebody.

We better decide who we really want to serve. As another singer said, “When people decide to come out of the Closet rather than clean it, its a sign the judgement of God is going to fall.”

Lets clean up our acts guys, freedom is not more vauable than morality. If there is no morality, nobody is free.

American in Israel, Free Republic 69 Comments [8/29/2011 1:10:04 PM]
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Canadiest

No one is worshipping science or giving it blind faith. Your churchs are jealous and frightened because while they claim they have answers science actually provides them. Science has created a more content, healthier and wiser population, science has accomplished what religion hasn't, can't and wouldn't if they could.

The projecting is amazing here. Religions record of enslavement is nearly absolute, that is why they attack any other philophosy or adherance to disipline. An educated society will abandon all religion

Science hasn't just changed our lookout, many of our careers wouldn't exist without the findings and developments of science. Do you think Christian church leaders haven't complained about every scientific achievment? The Steam Engine, the Railroad, The phonograph, Electrical generation and distrubution, Radio and Tv? They were fearmongerling on them all and still are harping on some.

8/29/2011 5:16:50 PM



Science as an abstraction may be amoral; but the religion you support is immoral.

8/29/2011 5:31:31 PM

Papabear

Science is a method (by far the best method) for discovering facts about the real world. You just don't like it because you don't like the facts it has uncovered.

Morality relates to the ethics one uses in applying one's power.

P.S. Bob named himself after Dylan Thomas not Matt Dillion. The Dylan line you quote was written shortly before Bob saw the light and ditched Christianity.

8/29/2011 5:55:03 PM

aaa

Something tells me that you have a hard-on for totalitarianism.

8/29/2011 6:02:00 PM

Mudak

@Papabear, it's not as clear as you make it out to be the source of Robert A. Zimmerman's better-known pen name. He very possibly *did* choose it by bastardizing the spelling of Matt Dillon.

I'm a fairly big fan of Dylan's. The three albums that stemmed from his conversion to Christianity (Slow Train Coming, Saved, and Shot of Love) are among his worst.

For a better Dylan quote, how about "While some warn victory, some downfall, private reasons, great or small, can be seen in the eyes of those that call to make all that should be killed to crawl, while others say don't hate nothing at all except hatred."

8/29/2011 6:05:24 PM

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

@ Angry Vince:

How do you think I got my name?


8/29/2011 6:52:15 PM

just annoying

What? You need some man pleasure?

I got a whole 3 inches!!!

But, then... width isn't everything.

8/29/2011 7:12:27 PM

Raised by Horses

No morality without religion. Anyone else getting a little tired of this cliche? The Bible, for example, alternately advocates peace and genocide, and offers no objective basis by which to judge one as morally superior to the other, leaving them on an even field. It therefore stands for nothing and can add nothing even remotely meaningful on the subject of morality.

"Science does not believe in innocence, love, joy, peace or God."

You keep talking about this science thing like it's a person. Of course it does none of these things, because it's a method, not a sentient being.

"However science, and our government is interested in the levels of attraction gay men have for what lengths of penis. That is measureable and is worth spending millions of tax dollars on."

I'm trying very, very hard to keep a straight face right now. Are fundies just born without a sense of humor or irony, or do they have to work at discarding them?

"Like Bob Dillon said.."

Who's Bob Dillon? Is he related to Izzy Osbourne, by any chance?

"We better decide who we really want to serve. As another singer said, “When people decide to come out of the Closet rather than clean it, its a sign the judgement of God is going to fall.”

You do know how unbelievably made-up that quote sounds, right?

"Lets clean up our acts guys, freedom is not more vauable than morality."

Who says the two are mutually exclusive? Other than you, that is. Frankly, I think we should have your definition of 'freedom' before continuing this discussion.

"If there is no morality, nobody is free."

Doesn't follow. Go to your room. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

8/29/2011 7:30:45 PM

NoriMori

@Fawful, Every time I saw your name I wondered where you got it. Now I know. :)

@Raised by Horses

"If there is no morality, nobody is free."

Doesn't follow.


How does that not follow? I mean, yes, the rest of his post is wrong on so many levels, but that last sentence I actually agreed with. What's your objection?

8/29/2011 7:53:26 PM

Raised by Horses

@NoriMori

Morality is not intrinsically concerned with freedom, and vice versa. There is overlap between the two concepts, but they are not one and the same. It is possible, for example, to lead a decadent and completely "free" life without concern for the moral values of one's actions. Hence to claim that without morality there is no freedom is a non-sequitur.

8/29/2011 8:14:03 PM

Zimmer

"Lets clean up our acts guys, freedom is not more vauable than morality. If there is no morality, nobody is free."


In other news, freedom is slavery.

8/29/2011 8:29:28 PM

CleverScreenName

Bob Dillon? Who's that?

8/29/2011 10:36:23 PM

Anon

"Freedom is not more valuable than morality."
The Constitution would like to have a word with you about that. See, we have this thing called the First Amendment...

8/29/2011 11:41:26 PM

Shadoboy

Stop using your computer and go live with the amish if science is so evil.

8/29/2011 11:47:56 PM

Jack Bauer

"Dillon" is spelled "Zimmerman".

8/30/2011 12:17:46 AM

The Jamo

Newsflash, buddy! Science is a set of methodologies for learning about stuff. That in itself has no intrinsic moral attributes. Just like your slippers or a coat hanger.

8/30/2011 2:21:31 AM

\m/>_<\m/

you know, i don't think freepers should go on cracked.com. pretty soon they'll be blabbing about finger length... dorks (with the true meaning behind it for once)

8/30/2011 2:52:41 AM



I understand what the guy's saying. Science put a man on the Moon, cured diseases, and extended life expectancy, but where's the innocence?

8/30/2011 3:47:34 AM

Extraintrovert

I love it when someone speaks as an absolute authority on a subject about which they know nothing. Because NEVER has anyone noted the difference between the scientific method and moralistic determinism, and religion is totally a reliable source of morality. Totally.

@Osiris

Thank you for that. I'm going to steal it and use it whenever I can.

8/30/2011 4:28:38 AM

Mister Spak

"Those things are not scientific, and cannot be measured. "

If they can't be measured, then maybe they don't exist. However . . .

http://www.pashler.com/Articles/Vul_etal_2008inpress.pdf

"Like Bob Dillon said"

Dillon? HAHAHAHAHAHA. And he quit your deranged cult decades ago.


"If there is no morality, nobody is free."

If there is no freedom nobody can be moral.

8/30/2011 5:12:15 AM



You don't like science? Stop using computers and the Internet. Stop flying from the US to Israel and back. Get rid of your car. Don't drink potable water.
Science doesn't *claim* to have morality.
What "morality" does the Bible advocate? There's so much contradictory stuff in there it's incredible.
The last two sentences are creepy. Sounds like you'd fit in well in Saudi Arabia. So, move.

8/30/2011 5:24:44 AM

zorc

Wait, so why do I have to go through so many ethics organizations in order to be able to conduct my research, take classes that specifically talk about how to conduct research ethically and what an ethical scientist is, and constantly have to be sure that I minimize harm in my studies?

Next time I have to submit protocol to the Internal Review Board I'm just going to say "there are no moral values in science" and do whatever the hell I want to.

8/30/2011 7:13:57 AM

Doubting Thomas

If we are going to hand our Nation over to science as our God, abandoning our roots in the Bible we are going to end up with something that no good man can stand to live in

Good think we're not worshiping science, then.

Like Bob Dillon said

Bob Dillon, the grocery store manager, not Bob Dylan the singer/songwriter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dillons

freedom is not more vauable than morality.

Funny, that's exactly what the Taliban and various other religious leaders in middle eastern theocracies also think.

8/30/2011 7:16:44 AM

Xotan

OK, American, get rid of your computer, your TV, your fridge, any electrical appliances, including light and heating, modern hospitals and dentristy, cinema....I could go on. But you won't get rid of these things, will you? Thought not. I call you on this. You are a pious fraud.

8/30/2011 8:08:10 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

@Lucilius
It is acceptable to say "judgement" in America, however, just less common.

8/30/2011 9:33:13 AM
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