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Science has no moral value, so in science there is no such thing as evil. If we are going to hand our Nation over to science as our God, abandoning our roots in the Bible we are going to end up with something that no good man can stand to live in, as no innocence or possesion will not be exploited and destroyed for anothers mans pleasure.

Science does not believe in innocence, love, joy, peace or God.

Those things are not scientific, and cannot be measured. However science, and our government is interested in the levels of attraction gay men have for what lengths of penis. That is measureable and is worth spending millions of tax dollars on.

Like Bob Dillon said, “You gotta serve somebody, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord, but your gonna have to serve somebody.

We better decide who we really want to serve. As another singer said, “When people decide to come out of the Closet rather than clean it, its a sign the judgement of God is going to fall.”

Lets clean up our acts guys, freedom is not more vauable than morality. If there is no morality, nobody is free.

American in Israel, Free Republic 69 Comments [8/29/2011 1:10:04 PM]
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Noneofyourbusiness

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8/30/2011 9:42:26 AM



Think twice before using the computer you're typing. Or the medicines that enable you to live more than 40 years, for example.

8/30/2011 9:55:52 AM

BlackMageJ

no innocence or possesion will not be exploited and destroyed for anothers mans pleasure.

You just described Capitalism. You know, the thing the Religious Right actually worships while pretending to be worship that Jesus bloke who stood for the exact opposite.

8/30/2011 11:06:29 AM

awitch

Even "no moral value" is more moral than Biblical values.

8/30/2011 12:24:38 PM

TheJebusFire

[However science, and our government is interested in the levels of attraction gay men have for what lengths of penis. ]

I'm pretty certain the only person interested in that is you.

8/30/2011 1:24:27 PM

farpadokly

That was Dylan in his born-again phase, and I've never understood that song. Why have you got to serve somebody? Who says? Why not serve yourself? It's a false choice, the fallacy beloved of the would-be controller of people's lives.

8/30/2011 1:55:11 PM

SpukiKitty

YEESH! What's with these Fundy bozos? Religious people, even conservative ones, have accepted modern science/evolution/Copernucus/etc. for years with no problems or crisis of faith! Why do these idiots obssess over this junk?! It's a non-issue! I could care less if some believes that the world was the result of one of Cthulhu's B.M. breaks!!! We're glorified hairless Great Apes! Earth is over 4.5 Billion years old! Earth is round! Earth revolves around the Sun! The universe is unimaginably huge! The Moon's made of rock not cheese! Lightning is an electrical charge and not a divine Jarts game or Javelin contest! MIND YOUR OWN BEESWAX & TACKLE IMPORTANT STUFF LIKE POVERTY, DISEASE, INJUSTICE, CRIME, ETC....LIKE JESUS WOULD DO! Arrrgh! Jesus was right about you: Strain at a gnat & swallow a camel!!!

THUS ENDS MY RANT.

8/30/2011 6:59:53 PM

fmitchell

It's been said before, but godbots apparently can't imagine *not* worshipping something or enslaving themselves to some being. Rationally evaluating authorities and freely choosing one's own path doesn't exist in their world.

To quote another musician, "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

8/30/2011 8:05:03 PM



...Bob "Dillon"?

Also, claiming that morality is more important than freedom (and therefore we need to curb your freedoms, not for any practical reason, but for a moral one) is a time-honored tradition in totalitarian states and other autocratic systems. I'm sure you could name a few.

Also also, it's not science's job, so to speak, to "believe in innocence, love, joy, peace, or god". The view of science (as if it were a monolithic entity to begin with...) on, say, peace is a little like the view of religion on peanut butter M%Ms - it's completely outside its purview and it can't be expected to have anything to say.

TL;DR: freedom is more valuable than morality, science doesn't make you believe in spiritual things but doesn't require you not to, and AiI is too lazy to spend thirty seconds on Wiki to look up Bob Dylan's name.

Edit: D'oh. This is Jamaican Castle.

8/31/2011 1:46:43 AM

Argle Bargle

Christian morality is not universal, and the days when you could impose it on non-Christians are over. Cry more.

8/31/2011 6:18:13 AM

SpukiKitty

"Science has no moral value...."

It doesn't have to, you boob! It's irrelevant! Do cornflakes have a moral value? Do robots & auto mechanics have moral value? Do hair salons have moral value? Does post-nasal drip have moral value? Science is Science, it's weird technical stuff & without it, you & I would probably be dead by 40...that is, if we survived birth, infancy or childbirth. You wouldn't be on the Web typing your weirdness & I wouldn't be on the Web typing good sense. What a dope!

8/31/2011 6:32:06 AM

Anon

Awwww, someone is pissy cause he got spanked by science.

8/31/2011 7:08:33 AM

Xero

Idiot. Science is a methodology, not a belief system. This pathetic rant only serves to highlight your own ignorance.

8/31/2011 7:38:34 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Science does not believe in innocence, love, joy, peace or God."

The Smallpox Eradication Program from 1950-80. The last person to die from Smallpox was in 1977. Smallpox is so completely cured, the disease now only exists in a few culture flasks, in labs around the world; with debate in the scientific community to this day, on if these last remaining cultures should be used for continued virological research, or if they should be destroyed.

Scientists now have the power of life and death over Smallpox itself. They can make a disease, no less, become extinct.

Science - 1. God - 0.

"Like Bob Dillon said, “You gotta serve somebody, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord, but your gonna have to serve somebody"

As proven above, medical science serves humanity. Who - or what - was God serving, when he created Smallpox? You tell me?:

(*sings*)

'All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

[/Monty Python]

Aye, there's the rub...!

8/31/2011 7:54:24 AM



Science isn´t a faith based system or a religion; it doesn´t give two fucks about what you think what your personal sky daddy thinks about your position and/or importance on this moist rock.

8/31/2011 9:01:54 AM

Karana

The whole penis thing in the middle of that nonsense really threw me off...then I realized that it's a fundie,and their mind just throws shit like that into their ramblings all the time.

8/31/2011 7:24:23 PM

Giveitaday

Science has no moral value, so in science there is no such thing as evil.

Nor should it. Science and the scientific method is a process not a worldview

If we are going to hand our Nation over to science as our God

First, The United States as a nation is not now, nor has it ever been beholden to any "god". It is a nation of many peoples with many varied religions, none of which is held to be more true or valid than any other. No one is goig to replace your "god" as the US religious figurehead, because the US has no religious figurehead to replace!

Second, Nobody outside of the extreme fringe of religious fundamentalism sees science as some divine concept. People do not look for science to provide them with a system of morality because that isn't what science does, it does't hand down divine dictates from on high.


abandoning our roots in the Bible

Your "roots" you sanctimonius fuck, not mine, nor millions of your fellow citizens, each oe of whom is, whether you like it or not, every bit as american as yourself. And I for one, am sick and fucking tired of you holier-than-thou types acting as if non christians should bow and scrape in deference to christians for "allowing" us to live here

we are going to end up with something that no good man can stand to live in,

And what exactly do you consider to be "good"? Because I highly suspect that your idea of "good" is subjective at best,, and based entirely on your ability to use scripture to rationalize your own actions, no matter how heinous.

as no innocence or possesion will not be exploited and destroyed for anothers mans pleasure.

So why is that not happening in in countries where cristianity, or any of the abrahamic religions are funtionally non existent

Science does not believe in innocence, love, joy, peace or God.

First, Science has no "beliefs", or unquestionable dogmas. Science deals in facts and evidence, not the blind faith of religion.

Those things are not scientific, and cannot be measured.

You are right, as abstract concepts they cannot be measured, but they don't invalidate science simply because they fall outside it's purview. It's the equivalent of saying "String theory is bunk because it doesn't account for peanut butter

However science, and our government is interested in the levels of attraction gay men have for what lengths of penis. That is measureable and is worth spending millions of tax dollars on.

I doubt the US government commissioned that research and I'm even more doubtful that was paid for with taxpayer money.

Like Bob Dillon said, “You gotta serve somebody, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord, but your gonna have to serve somebody.

Who the fuck is Bob Dillon?

9/1/2011 1:41:29 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Giveitaday

"Who the fuck is Bob Dillon?"

Probably Matt Dillon's younger brother. I know Harry Krishna's brother, Kevin. We have a few pints, play darts/pool & watch Premier League football at the local boozer.

[/smartarse]

...oh, and as for:

"You gotta serve somebody, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord, but your gonna have to serve somebody"

As Capt. Jean-Luc Picard says, 'There are always options'. Thus I go the third way:

I serve myself. Those self-scan checkouts at supermarkets these days are great, aren't they?!

[/smartarse II]

9/1/2011 9:25:25 AM



you see there's this thing called a "code of ethics" ever heard of it?

Didn't think so.

9/7/2011 9:29:39 PM
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