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The question remains: is Gov. Perry right?

What follows is a straightforward, four-step refutation of the theory of evolution. The steps are easy to remember, and make a nice little cadence when spoken with a little rhythm: First Law, Second Law, Fossils and Genes. Armed with this truth, go forth and conquer.

[later on]


Before we even start, we ought to notice that, if evolution is true, there would be no way to know it. Because evolution teaches that everything that exists is the product of the random collision of atoms, this logically includes the thoughts I am thinking about evolution. But if my thoughts are the product of the random collision of atoms, there is no reason to think that any of them are true — they just are.

No one "random collision of atoms" can be said to be truer than another, any more than one randomly generated Rorschach ink blot can be said to be more correct than another.

As J.B.S. Haldane famously observed, "If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motion of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms."

All right, here we go.

First Law of Thermodynamics. This law (note: not a theory but a scientific law) teaches us that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. In other words, an honest scientist will tell you that there is nothing in the observable universe that can explain either the origin of energy or matter. By logical extension, then, matter and energy had to come into being by some force outside the universe.

What this means, then, is that science simply has no explanation for the most basic question that could possibly be asked: why is there something rather than nothing?

Creationists and Intelligent Design advocates have an answer to this question; evolutionists do not.

When you see a turtle on a fence post, what's the one thing you know? Somebody put him there. When you see a world hanging in space, what's the one thing you know? Someone hung it there.

It's futile to resort to the big bang theory, as some evolutionists are wont to do. They say they have an explanation for the origin of the universe: it began when a ball of incredibly dense matter exploded and flung the universe into existence. Okay, fine. Now: where did that incredibly dense ball of matter come from?

Even Aristotle saw that behind the existence of the universe had to be what he called a Prime Mover or an Unmoved Mover. If everything is the result of secondary causes, nothing would ever actually happen. Some great power had to be a primary cause of life, motion, energy, and existence.

If you walk into an office and you see one of those toys with the steel balls swinging left to right, right to left, virtually endlessly, the one thing you will know for an absolute certainty is that some force outside that toy had to start the whole thing by lifting the first ball and releasing it to clack against the others. The process you observe could not possibly have started all by itself.

Creation Science and Intelligent Design theory offers a Prime Mover, evolution does not.

Bryan Fischer, Rightly Concerned 67 Comments [8/31/2011 3:18:56 AM]
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J. James

I think you kinda plagarized ALL of that "proof", there, mr. Fischer. ALL. Of. It. It's tired, old, and has been proven wrong a million times if it was once, just like you.

Hahahaha. And here I thought he'd put forth a relatively new "argument".

8/31/2011 5:06:28 PM



"When you see a world hanging in space, what's the one thing you know? Someone hung it there."
If I ever see a world hanging in pace... I'll call you.
This world (and every other world) is hurtling through space at a very good speed.
It's course is defined by the huge gravity well of a star we call "the sun".
The sun itself is also hurtling through the galaxy, which in turn is hurtling through the universe.


8/31/2011 5:24:20 PM

TWoozl

That's a nice logical fallacy you have there. What moved the prime mover, if it all needs something to start it up?

8/31/2011 5:49:05 PM



Bryan Fischer is just one nutcase; I'm more concerned about the millions of nutcases who voted Rick Perry into office, repeatedly.

8/31/2011 5:50:52 PM

David F Mayer

You are utterly devoid of scientific knowledge.
Why do you embarrass yourself by displaying your vast ignorance in public?
Have you ever thought of reading a REAL book on Science?

8/31/2011 6:04:59 PM

Scelerata

Actually my first thought when seeing a turtle on a fence post is, "Hm. wonder how he climbed up there."

Many turtles are actually very avid climbers and are plenty capable of climbing a fence on their own. Just because one winds up on top of a fence, doesn't mean someone put it there.

Likewise, just because the universe as we know it came into existence, doesn't mean god put it there.

8/31/2011 6:25:51 PM



Before scientists figured out how lighting worked, an atheist would have no explanation for how lightning worked. However, someone who believed in Zeus would have an explanation. That does not mean that lightning bolts actually are caused by Zeus. Also, you are an idiot.

8/31/2011 7:13:53 PM

gaijinlaw

What follows is a straightforward, four-step refutation explanation of the theory of evolution. The steps are easy to remember, and make a nice little cadence when spoken with a little rhythm: variation, reproduction, advantages, alleles.

And it seems I must again invite @Headache to kiss my fat American ass. Bigoted dickhole.

8/31/2011 7:44:08 PM

He Who Doubts


8/31/2011 10:05:52 PM

moose

"Creation science and Intelligent design theory offers a prime mover, evolution does not".
So what. Mary Poppins offers a spoon full of sugar. That doesnt mean that Mary Poppins , or her spoon full of sugar has magic properties.... Or is even real in the first place.

Now, how about actually proving your prime mover exists and is real. Oh, and before I forget.....evolution does not offer a prime mover because such a concept has absolutely nothing to do with what evolution actually is.

8/31/2011 10:51:31 PM



You're ignoring the fact that energy can change form, so you fail.

8/31/2011 11:11:05 PM

Anon-e-moose

@DevilsChaplain

"Bryan Fischer is the Director of Issues Analysis"

Who doesn't know he has issues with the bullshit he directs from his anal region.

(*Rimshot*) X3

9/1/2011 9:40:43 AM

aaa

Bryan is still talking out of his ass. Do you understand that all that rectal literature of yours is currently being laughed at?

9/1/2011 10:11:06 AM

Zimmer

Where have I heard those arguments before...?

Oh yeah, when they were refuted decades ago.

9/2/2011 1:12:08 PM

Ebon

Because evolution teaches that everything that exists is the product of the random collision of atom

That's abiogenesis, not evolution.

They say they have an explanation for the origin of the universe: it began when a ball of incredibly dense matter exploded and flung the universe into existence

That's not what the theory says either. The theory attempts to explain what happened immediately after the beginning of the universe, not the beginning itself. That's the subject of a much more speculative branch of science.

8/31/2012 5:49:03 AM



before we even start is a good place to stop because its wrong.

1st law of thermodynamics, wrong as you have stated it.

science can not yet explain the big bang, True, so it MUST have been magic fairies ? no.

there are many explanations for turtles on fenceposts. use you brain and think of some. How big a turtle ?

If I ever see a planet just hanging in space I will look for a hook, orbiting planets use gravity.

Aristotle is not a current leader in cosmology.
and he is dead. sorry if you didn't know that.

evolution is a theory that explains biology. Big bang is not biology.


8/31/2012 5:37:40 PM

Dr.Shrinker

"The question remains: is Gov. Perry right?"

- No one has ever asked that question. His fans always assume he is right and those who are connected to reality know he isn't.

9/1/2012 6:05:43 AM
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