Swede

Women should also be free to choose to continue the pregnancy if they want to. "Choice" implies at least two alternatives, ya know.

There's a natural time-limit when the growing fetus have developed enough nervous system to feel pain and to perhaps be aware, and another time-limit when the fetus could be viable on its own outside the womb. Most countries that have legal abortions place a limit on abortions sometime during the beginning of the second trimester for voluntary abortions. Women have to decide early on whether they want to stay pregnant or not.

If the fetus endangers the life of the mother at a later stage, the life of the woman is given higher priority than the life of the fetus.
If the fetus might be viable, it is removed using a c-section.

In Sweden we have brain death as the legal death concept. Early embryos don't have a brain yet, ergo they are not "alive" in the legal sense, and can therefore not be killed.

Why don't you produce God's case against abortions?
If God is so against abortions, why did he make it so that somewhere around 50-90% of all fertilized eggs are flushed out in spontaneous abortions?

9/3/2011 9:12:31 AM

Anon-e-moose

When Hitler's mother was pregnant with him, she was considering having an abortion. But someone talked her out of it.

Just consider that for a moment.

Imagine what would have happened (or specifically, not) if she hadn't been persuaded otherwise?

Kinda annihilates the arguments & justifications of the whole 'Pro-Life' cause, wouldn't you say...?

9/3/2011 10:53:05 AM

ConservativeCommunist

While i am personally opposed to abortion, and i DO find it to be an oxymoron when some one who is pro-abortion says im "pro-family, pro-Children", i have to ask:

if you all advocate the choice to kill, then why does the government and society look down on people who choose to commit suicde? Its that persons own body right? So if a person and im not talking about euthanasia now, wants to kill themselves, would all you pro-abortionists, be hypocritical for NOT supporting on demand suicde? For supporting the governments ability to institutionalize suicidal people?

We allow abortion, but it is legal (mandated actually) for an officer, Dr, or anyone else to commit some one suspected of being suicidal? Sounds like society needs to make up its mind? Does the "its my body i can do what i want with it" argument apply to suicide (not euthanasia) as well? Just saying. if you agree, then fine, at least you are consitent, not a hypocrite.

Anyways...cue in the accusations of me being a troll be cause i its a contradiction interms tocall ones self Pro -choice (aka pro-abortion) and pro-family/pro children....guess im not touting the party line on this website.

9/3/2011 9:04:09 PM

Extraintrovert

@ConservativeCommunist

An embryo is not a person, at least not initially. Until a certain point it isn't even capable of feeling pain, it isn't until a later point that it gains sapience, and it isn't until later than that it can even support its own biological processes, being technically a parasite. Furthermore, while both abortion and suicide concerns an individual being able to make a decision regarding their body the former is FAR less severe and final than the latter. Comparing abortion and suicide demonstrates either supreme ignorance on both subjects and/or willful deception.

Secondly, suicide is almost always due to psychological problems and/or physiological imbalances, simply a symptom of underlying issues rather than an actual desire for the person to end their life (and while it doesn't count for much, I can speak from personal experience about that). The desire for an abortion can also be due to this, but not only is it rarer but it is also the reason why there are safeguards in place and counseling available to prevent such a thing occurring.

Finally, certain forms of suicide ARE considered as being allowed, but it's called euthanasia and both applies only to a specific set of circumstances and is only considered after much deliberation. So clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about.

9/3/2011 11:54:38 PM

ConservativeCommunist

@Extraintrovert

I wasnt talking about euthanasia, just plain old, "i hate my life" suicide. Im not going to continue an argument since the premise of your argument is the key to me not agreeing with anything you say "fetus not alive". However i will add that suicide is NOT always psychologically based. Is it really that hard to believe that some people want to die, that are NOT terminally ill?

Im just saying why get all high and mighty about suicde and then support abortion? But as i pointed out this is a non starter argument.

I still think you cant possibly be pro-family when you advocate abortion, which is what the pro-choice crowd does. Why dont we have a Pro-suicde on demand crowd too? Aperson who thinks treating a child or what will become a full grown child is nothing more than parasitic cells, can never call themselves pro-family.

Anyways thats my comment of the quarter. I'll leave you all to whine and complain about the comments of someone who probably doesnt even know they are being ridiculed...or cares for that matter.

Oh and for the record i am very much pro-suicide without limits; i think the government has no right to stop , intervene or aprevent a person from suicide, or to mandate Dr's to do so. Why? Because they are able to make that decision. An unborn child however is treated like a sack of crap.

9/4/2011 12:15:06 AM

Raised by Horses

@Anon-e-moose

C&C: Red Alert, anyone?

9/4/2011 7:16:35 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

Pro-choice and Pro-children are not mutually exclusive, you twit.

9/4/2011 12:00:22 PM

Thou shalt not kill.

But then, we have the question: Should we risk killing a raped teenage girl, or kill her rape-child for sure?

9/4/2011 12:27:00 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

A fetus isn't a children, dear.

9/4/2011 11:15:27 PM

Professor M

@ "Conservative Communist" --

Brilliant. "I'm going to just argue based on the assumption -- which I'll insist that you allow -- that reality conforms to my batshit rewriting of it and that your position is whatever I say it is." Y'know, you might have more luck with a reality-based argument -- though I suppose that expecting such must be an unbearable burden on your ideological position.

9/5/2011 12:36:38 AM

HoJuSimpson

Oh and for the record i am very much pro-suicide without limits; i think the government has no right to stop , intervene or aprevent a person from suicide, or to mandate Dr's to do so. Why? Because they are able to make that decision. An unborn child however is treated like a sack of crap.

Interesting that you care more about a non-existent person than someone with a life, feelings, emotions, friends, family and other loved ones built up and who has probably felt tortured in their own skin for a very long time.

9/5/2011 4:30:02 AM

Anon-e-moose

@ConservativeCommunist

"cue in the accusations of me being a troll"

'Accusations'?! [/Spartan Laconic Wit]

9/5/2011 7:37:14 AM

Anon-e-moose

Wups, duplicate post there. Arse. Mea Culpa.

9/5/2011 7:39:29 AM