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The air we breathe cannot be seen, heard, tasted, smelled, or touched, yet it most certainly exists. The force of gravity cannot be seen, heard, tasted, smelled, or touched, yet we know that it exists. Emotions, values, beliefs, and thoughts cannot be found by using any of our senses, yet they are as real as rocks or trees. Emotions can be "felt", but this feeling is not physical. Thus, simply because something cannot be found through the use of the five senses does not mean that it does not exist.

Some atheists say that no God has been found through the use of the senses, therefore no God exists. But simply because God cannot be found by way of the senses does not mean that He does not exist. Christians believe in a supernatural or non-material God. They believe that God has manifested Himself in material form and in material ways on certain occasions (such as the Incarnation, and when He spoke audibly to Moses at Mount Sinai). However, God is spirit (John 4:24), and in His "normal" state He cannot be found by the use of the senses. Therefore, any attempt to reach God by way of the senses would be virtually pointless.



angelslight79 , Glitter Graphics.com 84 Comments [9/8/2011 3:41:35 AM]
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TheJebusFire

[The air we breathe cannot be seen...]

I can see the wind as it blows through my neighbor's trees.

[heard]

I can hear the wind blow by me on a windy day.

[tasted]

No, but I can inhale it.

[or touched]

My car doesn't have air conditioning so when I roll down the windows I can feel the wind blow on my face.



9/8/2011 1:17:47 PM

Matante

To the people who were saying that this is plain faith and not fundie:
Faith can mean disregarding a part of reality when thinking about the object of that faith, but it becomes something else than faith when it spreads out of that little comfortable idea one prefers not to challenge, and go as far as twisting the rest of your worldview to support it.

Though you really get to feel how this one is truly fundie and not merely naive by clicking the source link and scrolling past her tl;dr rant.

9/8/2011 2:10:43 PM



Air can be detected. After all just wave your hand.

As for gravity just drop something.

Emotions can be felt because there is a biochemical process in the brain and that can be detected.

Guess what God cannot be detected at all.

9/8/2011 2:11:52 PM

LabRat

Go stand out in a tornado

9/8/2011 2:59:06 PM

checkmate

Christians believe in a supernatural or non-material God. They believe that God has manifested Himself in material form and in material ways on certain occasions

Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy manifest themselves in a much more realistic manner than God, both in matter and spirit, although neither can be reached by the senses.

So, let's all pray to the Tooth Fairy.

9/8/2011 3:19:48 PM

NoE

So the people who 'hear' God are lying?

9/8/2011 3:37:32 PM



"The air we breathe cannot be seen, heard, tasted, smelled, or touched, yet it most certainly exists."
And???
You list things that (although invisible) are easily detected and measured.
Your point being?

"Some atheists say that no God has been found through the use of the senses, therefore no God exists."
Ah, there it is.
The old "Gawd is like air" red herring.
Not one atheist has ever said such a stupid thing. We tend to only arrive at atheism after years or decades of trying to justify our belief in the existance of gods... and finaly admitting that there is no justification.

9/8/2011 3:42:31 PM

NoE

Or the ones who feel 'him' in their heart?

9/8/2011 3:43:11 PM

NoE

sorry, don't know why it repeated.

9/8/2011 3:55:17 PM

NoE

Or the ones who feel 'him' in their heart?

9/8/2011 4:06:07 PM

Renon

The cool night air after a long day of work is one of the greatest tasting/smelling things ever. You fail.

(And are you seriously suggesting that we can't feel the force of GRAVITY?! I think I'll step back and let the gravity of that statement sink in.)

9/8/2011 4:33:00 PM

Watergirl909

Air: some gasses, wind, some gasses, some gasses, wind.
Gravity: everything around you, it does not make noise, it has no smell, everything around you.

9/8/2011 4:43:21 PM

Alencon

Has anyone EVER said "no God has been found through the use of the senses, therefore no God exists?"

Personally I don't ever recall hearing that one.

9/8/2011 5:32:25 PM

breakerslion

Your argument titrates to:

"That which can't be proven to exist must exist because I can resort to sophistry to obfuscate the known, and prove that I am dumber than a bag of hammers.

I also take a bunch of self-interested, superstitious jerkwads and con men at their word and accept anecdotal evidence while rejecting scientific evidence."

Fail.

1 point for using the word, "some" in front of "atheists" however.

9/8/2011 5:34:26 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Actually, it can absolutely be smelled. That's kind of how smelling works. And your sense of touch can totally pick it up; wave your hand around really fast and you'll start to feel it, or stick your hand out the window of a moving car.

You can also feel the effects of gravity quite well. As for the feeling of emotions, that's a matter of chemical processes in the brain, which I assure you is quite physical.

9/9/2011 12:12:37 AM

Extraintrovert

@SpukiKitty

It's nice that you have your own belief, and much appreciated that you don't expect anyone else to follow it. However, countering one unsubstantiated claim supported by nothing more than conjecture and opinion with another unsubstantiated claim supported by nothing more than conjecture and opinion is not exactly good argumentative technique.

@rikalous

It's hilarious because it's so stupid. It's bizarre and ignorant because it is based on nothing and makes no sense. It's bigoted because the person automatically assumes that their argument supports the existence of THEIR specific deity instead of the millions of others humans have invented throughout the millennia. And it's terrifying that in this day and age, with many nations providing free education and better access to information (and in larger quantities and quality) than in all other times in history combined, that someone could be so willfully stupid.

9/9/2011 12:46:32 AM

Steven Mading

__AIR___ __YOU___ ___BREATHE___ Can't be smelled??? smelled??? ___AIR___???? Technically the air, and specifically the air you BREATHE, is *all* you can smell. You can't smell the air you don't breathe. Not only did this moron get it wrong, but got it 100% the exact inverse of right - claiming we can't smell the one and only thing we actually CAN smell.

W... t.... f???


9/9/2011 3:07:25 AM

WWWWolf

> Emotions, values, beliefs, and thoughts cannot be found by using any of our senses, yet they are as real as rocks or trees. Emotions can be "felt", but this feeling is not physical.

To borrow computer science metaphors: Facts about the universe are data. Values, beliefs and thoughts are refined data - information. Emotions are not data; they're functions.

The thing about the values, beliefs and thoughts is that they're products of people and society. They exist, yes, but only because we made them. Emotions are notoriously difficult to detach from our minds; emotions exist only because we are there here to experience them using our emotional thought processes.

That leads to the inconvenient question: How relevant is God? Why are you insisting people should look for a creator, when the creator, should one exist, has obviously built things in a manner where creator's identity is completely irrelevant? Isn't it a bit awkward that "who cares who made us, the universe is in such a good order that we don't need to call the company that made it for repairs" is as good point to take as any?

9/9/2011 3:52:01 AM

SpukiKitty

"The air we breathe cannot be.....smelled"

If you grew up where I grew up, you'd reconsider that one...I lived in Niagara Falls, NY when the plants were all still in business, I lived right nearby. Occidental, Carborundum, Alox, Goodyear, Union Carbide, etc. STINKY STINKY STINKY!

Fortunately, most have closed down & the air's a bit nicer...Unfortunately, it has led to a devestating economic depression & mass exodus of families out (like mine).

9/9/2011 6:17:13 AM



This seems to show a common misconception.

It isn't that we can't find a god with our senses...it is that we can't find room for a god in the known laws of the universe. It is physically impossible for your god to exist inside our universe. Period.

Your god could exist outside of the universe however. But due to the fact that you people continually fail to provide evidence it rubs off as another man made concept that would be a waste of time to profess belief in.

9/9/2011 10:40:44 AM



This guy does highlight a mistake that a lot of atheists make: They say "I don't believe in things I can't see/hear/touch" or a close variant. The theist can then rip into them, saying "What, so you don't believe in molecules/gravity/etc?"

A better statement is "I don't believe in things that can't be shown to exist" or a close variant. Separates the scientific "un-sensables" from the unscientific ones.

9/9/2011 1:38:23 PM

Evilution Teacher

The air we breathe can be measured - mass and volume; it's effects can be seen and heard, its ability to diffuse other molecules can be smelled and tasted, it can be felt when it moves. The force of gravity can be quantified; it's effects directly seen, heard and touched,. You argument can't be upheld.

9/10/2011 12:36:35 PM

Delirium

I'm sure you're also perplexed by magnets.

9/10/2011 1:34:14 PM

Nowonmai

Umm, air can not only be seen, but it can be felt, it can influence, and can be heard. Try reading a factual book instead of your Buy Bull.

9/10/2011 2:17:05 PM

furbearingbrick

Fuckin' air, how does it work?

9/10/2011 2:30:00 PM
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