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The air we breathe cannot be seen, heard, tasted, smelled, or touched, yet it most certainly exists. The force of gravity cannot be seen, heard, tasted, smelled, or touched, yet we know that it exists. Emotions, values, beliefs, and thoughts cannot be found by using any of our senses, yet they are as real as rocks or trees. Emotions can be "felt", but this feeling is not physical. Thus, simply because something cannot be found through the use of the five senses does not mean that it does not exist.

Some atheists say that no God has been found through the use of the senses, therefore no God exists. But simply because God cannot be found by way of the senses does not mean that He does not exist. Christians believe in a supernatural or non-material God. They believe that God has manifested Himself in material form and in material ways on certain occasions (such as the Incarnation, and when He spoke audibly to Moses at Mount Sinai). However, God is spirit (John 4:24), and in His "normal" state He cannot be found by the use of the senses. Therefore, any attempt to reach God by way of the senses would be virtually pointless.

angelslight79 , Glitter Graphics.com 85 Comments [9/8/2011 3:41:35 AM]
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Seems reasonably mainstream Christian to me, not very fundie. I reserve a fundie rating for crazier things, lest we wear it out.

9/10/2011 11:04:06 PM


Thank you for making a strong argument against the existence of God. We can measure wind, we can measure gravity, we experience effects of both conclusively. The same can't be said for invisible sky-men.

Oh, and nitpick? Air cannot be heard? What do you think conducts sound. Can't be touched? What's atmospheric pressure? Oh, wait. I'm commenting in regards to a total moron, I forgot.

9/11/2011 1:57:10 AM

Mrs. Antichrist

Except that we can directly observe air and gravity by measuring them in different ways -- we can even hear air moving (y'know, the wind?). Additionally, we can see the effects the two have on the world around us, and feel gravity pulling us back towards the earth. Emotions are "felt" psychologically. Thoughts/beliefs/values are present in our very own brains. Long story short, we know these things exist because we can experience them directly.

God, on the other hand, can not be measured or directly experienced.

9/12/2011 4:36:09 PM


But all of these things can be MEASURED and OBSERVED. God can't.
And there are way more senses than just the 5 Aristotlean ones. There's pain, proprioception, movement, balance, and many others.

9/14/2011 8:02:20 PM

Wind can be seen, heard and in a sense touched.
You can even smell wind by breaking it.

11/7/2012 12:50:16 AM


"He cannot be found by the use of the senses. Therefore, any attempt to reach God by way of the senses would be virtually pointless."

- Meh'd most enthusiastically. To be honest angelslight79 I agree with you wholeheartedly. As your lot always says, its about faith. Just keep holding to that and we'll get along fine.

However, when your lot declares that science proves the existence of god (science being intimately tied to the senses), when you insist that your favorite creation myth has scientific validity (and by extension all other such myths are false), and when you try to trample on the rights of others because your insensible god tells you to, THEN we have a problem.

So don't

11/18/2012 8:08:13 AM


I touch air all the time. Gravity isn't a thing, it's a phenomenon, and emotions are how we think. Religion is also a way of thought. Nice, isn't it.

7/17/2013 5:31:30 PM


I can, however, blow against my hand and feel that or toss a ball in the air and watch it come back down. I may not be able to directly observes the air (barring smoke) or gravity, themselves, but I very much can immediately observe them playing out their part in the world around me.

The only effect worship and prayers ever got anyone was some awkward silence followed by an indefinite game of "spot the sign/answer" in which ever widening definitions of what constitutes a sign/answer are sought out. Well, that and meaningless violence but that's more looking for an excuse to do what you already want to do than looking for a sign as to what to do.

4/27/2014 10:34:54 PM

Philbert McAdamia

So finding God is senseless, I get it.

4/27/2014 10:40:25 PM


It CAN be seen, under certain atmospheric conditions.
It CAN be heard. Have you never heard the wind slam up against your house?
It CAN be tasted. Breathe in through your mouth, the flavor is bland, yet refreshing.
It CAN be smelled. Breathe in through your nose. The scent is bland, yet refreshing.
It CAN be touched. Wave your hand around. Seriously. Just wave your hand back and forth. The pressure that you feel pressing against your hand? Air.

Air is everywhere, it is filled with vaporous water and other elements. It is literally impossible to exist without the presence of Air.

...but then everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.

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