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#1330805
aaa
Translation to english: "I love cherrypicking the bible! I even make people who actually give a shit about the word of Christ groan around me!"
9/10/2011 10:43:08 AM
#1330812
Canadia
"So then he said, well abortion is not forbidden in the Bible, to which I replied, oh great let's go back to enslaving african americans because that isn't directly forbidden in the Bible either. "
Oh man, my favorite line by far. Not only is the argument shitty, the Bible backs slavery.
9/10/2011 10:59:37 AM
#1330818
Brain_In_A_Jar
So then he said, well abortion is not forbidden in the Bible, to which I replied, oh great let's go back to enslaving african americans because that isn't directly forbidden in the Bible either.
You do realise that this is an implicit admission of a non-biblical source of morality? Congratulations: you just lost the entire war for the sake of one battle.
9/10/2011 11:17:36 AM
#1330819
Papabear
The Bible justifys slavery, genocide and eternal torture for finite transgressions. What possible justification is there for using the Bible as a guidebook of morality? "The Good Book?" HA!
9/10/2011 11:25:52 AM
#1330828
@Arctic Knight
Thanks for the verse Arctic, I'm going to toss this on some fundis.
9/10/2011 11:45:56 AM
#1330837
Old Viking
... so I said what's your scriptural justification?
So then he said, well abortion is not forbidden in the Bible, to which I replied, oh great ...
In other words, he's obliged to present a precise biblical quotation, and you're not.
9/10/2011 12:14:47 PM
#1330838
breakerslion
"Even after being shown all the scripture under the sun as opposition to his view..."
That took about 30 seconds, right?
"This is extremely frustrating because having been an atheist ..."
So what made you go soft in the head? Are you sure you're not just a conformist social chameleon?
"Have you got some good examples if ridiculous interpretations by liberals so they can do what they want...."
No, but history is full of examples of ridiculous interpretations by ultra-conservatives so they can do what they want - to other people! Start with the Reformation, or the Puritans' persecution of the Quakers (among others) and work your way right up to GOTT MIT UNS!
9/10/2011 12:16:35 PM
#1330859
Berny
The way I had always heard it is that "mischief" was defined as either the woman or the man dying, not the fetus.
Sorry, bunky, but the Bible is not a valid reference for anything, precisely because it can be interpreted in many different ways.
9/10/2011 1:23:58 PM
#1330868
I knew before even finishing the first sentence that this was going to be a bitchfest against abortion. Surprisingly, nothing about teh gheys, though.
9/10/2011 1:38:45 PM
#1330869
Anon-e-moose
"One of my biggest frustrations with Liberals who call themselves Christians is that when you ask them to justify their position in scripture they cannot do it effectively and have to twist the words of scripture (And add stuff in or take away) to fit their view."
Oh, I know; it's terrible isn't it?
How many of the clegy in the Church of England - the basis of modern Protestant Christianity - some of whom are
Emeritus Professors of Theology (and in the decades of study, research etc, thus know far more about the subject than just about
everyone in Christian circles in the US), and who readily acknowledge that
much of the Bible is purely fable & metaphor; as in not to be taken literally, see it as a simple moral guide, and that
the individual has the right to decide things for themself.
How frustrating it must be for you, eh, you poor dear? Acknowledging that
not every Christian out there is a rabid Religious Right type like you.
(*
Proceeds to rub thumb & middle finger together, playing 'Hearts & Flowers' on the world's smallest violin*)
...oh, and as for 'Liberals who call themselves Christians', the Quakers and Unitarian Universalists are gonna blow your mind
with their 'Live and let live', non-judgemental & hyper-tolerant attitudes, pal.
9/10/2011 1:39:26 PM
#1330879
Nowonmai
And then there are jerks like you who call themselves Christians, and keep putting your personal interpretation on a book of allegorical fables as a way to deal with life. And then prate on about 'ridiculous interpretations'.
9/10/2011 2:14:17 PM
#1330893
werewolf
I have.
It's using a book of Hebrew mythology as basis for debate on modern issues. What next, LOTR as justification for white supremacy?
9/10/2011 3:10:47 PM
#1330906
Berry Caluroso
I'm not sure that's <i>exactly</i> what that verse says.
9/10/2011 4:09:07 PM
#1330914
@Brendan Rizzo For a moment I thought this was from an atheist. It's still not fundie because this does point out the problems with "cafeteria Christianity".
Well, this is an argument that I've heard semi-often from fellow atheists, and one that never fails to bug me.
The implication is that despite their craziness, fundamentalist Christians are somehow more honest about their religious dogma than the more moderate ones. This isn't the case. Self-declared Biblical literalists are every bit as much "picking-and-choosing" as anyone else, it's just that they are in absolute denial about the parts they neglect. It makes them more hypocritical, not more sincere than those who openly reject some sections of the Bible as allegorical or culture-dependant or only applicable in the kingdom of God or whatever.
Literalism isn't a core dogma of Christianity. Not all Christian believe in the literal inerrancy of a compilation of writings put together by a bunch of Romans. There is no rational reason for us atheists to believe that they should. There is nothing rational in putting all Christians in the same bag of sheepish, blind dogmatism, with the only distinction being how honest they are about it.
Also, while not all fundies are Christian fundamentalists, all Christian fundamentalists are fundies by definition. I thought that was obvious. I mean, there's a reason why it's called fundie.
9/10/2011 4:21:23 PM
#1330929
SpukiKitty
This is why I feel that if someone's going to follow the Bible, they must either pick one Testament over the other. You can't follow both! The OT & NT contradict like crazy. Also, everyone cherry-picks....however Moderate/Liberal cherrypickers cherrypick the parts of the Bible that are good & truly "Godly" while Fundies only like the DEATH VERSES OF DOOM!
9/10/2011 5:38:49 PM
#1330965
That's funny, because one of my biggest frustrations with conservatives who call themselves Christian is that they can't justify THEIR positions in scripture.
Despite the fact that it directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus, they vote to end welfare, Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. They vigorously support the death penalty, and they think they shouldn't have to pay their taxes, unless of course, those taxes go to fund war, in which case they're all for Republicans spending their tax money like drunken sailors. They also make up Biblical prohibitions against abortion which do not exist (i.e., "ridiculous interpretations").
9/10/2011 7:52:34 PM
#1330982
Raised by Horses
If you're an ex-Atheist, I'm an ex-Martian.
9/10/2011 10:15:33 PM
#1331005
Justanotheratheist
If god intended us to follow scripture he should have given as a book that actually makes sense, and not this mish-mash of inaccuracies and contradictions which doesn't amount to much more than a gigantic heap of rotting word salad.
9/10/2011 11:42:56 PM
#1331016
Extraintrovert
"People who cherry pick the bible make me so angry. I keep using my own cherry picked statements but they won't listen to me!"
Also, I don't think I will ever tire of ignorant Christians who forget that Jesus was liberal as fuck, even compared to most of today's nations.
9/11/2011 12:55:23 AM
#1331112
Basically, the same will say the said liberal Christians about YOU.
9/11/2011 7:34:38 AM
#1331119
RapturedbyBlondie
I agree, but I still prefer an incoherent liberal to a coherent cultist.
9/11/2011 7:39:58 AM
#1331258
checkmate
twist the words of scripture (And add stuff in or take away) to fit their view
Let me speak with you for five minutes, and I'll bet I can find a large number of topics for which you have to wrap scripture into a boatswain's knot to get anywhere near your opinion.
Let's start out with voting for Michelle Bachmann and go on from there ...
9/11/2011 12:39:14 PM
#1331617
tmarcl
You do realize that by implying that slavery is wrong despite not being forbidden in the bible, you are in fact arguing against the bible being used as a basis for civil law - essentially refuting your own argument.
9/12/2011 4:45:06 AM
#1331625
Mister Spak
"So then he said, well abortion is not forbidden in the Bible, to which I replied, oh great let's go back to enslaving african americans because that isn't directly forbidden in the Bible either. "
So now you have a problem. Abortion is not prohibited by the bible, but slavery is encouraged, while you have to take the opposite opinion. Now do you understand why normal people point and laugh at you?
9/12/2011 4:59:15 AM
#1331851
solomongrundy
...to which I replied, oh great let's go back to enslaving african americans because that isn't directly forbidden in the Bible either.
'...isn't directly forbidden'? That's true, it's directly approved.
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ;
Colossonians 3:22 Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord.
9/12/2011 11:16:42 PM
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