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However, if a few dinosaurs survived the Flood, how could these huge monsters have gotten on the ark? Bear in mind that the ark itself was huge, and young healthy dinosaurs would have had no problem fitting in it.[5]

Several scientific digs over many years have uncovered numerous intermingled dinosaur and human tracks in the riverbed of the Paluxy River in Texas.[22] In addition, 3,000 dinosaur footprints with human footprints right alongside them were recently discovered in Turkmenistan.[5]

Additional evidence that some dinosaurs may have existed until recent times came in 1990 when a very well preserved Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton was found. On examining a cross section of the cells in one of the long bones researchers discovered T-Rex red blood cells. At Montana State University they have been unsuccessfully trying for nine years to prove that they are NOT T-Rex blood cells. If they are, this throws out the whole idea that dinosaurs died out millions [ET*] of years ago.[5]

During the winter of 1856 workmen in France digging a railway tunnel through a layer of Jurassic limestone were startled to find a large creature stumbling out of a recently split boulder, flapping what looked like wings and croaking. It died immediately. A local paleontology student identified the animal as a pterodactyl. The stone in which it was found was consistent with the time period in which pterodactyls are believed to have lived and formed an exact mold of the creature’s body.[47] Is it reasonable to assume that a pterodactyl could have survived entombed in rock for "millions" of years?

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Dan Onymous

I'll allow you the 'if' at the start. The rest needs a bit of citation though.


I'd be interested to know how long you think IS reasonable for a pterodactyl to survive being embedded in rock?

9/15/2011 4:13:09 AM

Matante

The third paragraph is actually half true. "They" haven't been trying to prove that they weren't dinosaur cells though, their presence was unlikely, not impossible. Even fossils that old often contain collagen, organic chunks as large as whole cells were never an impossibility.

9/15/2011 4:24:52 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

"Bear in mind that the ark itself was huge"

But still slightly smaller than the largest wooden ships ever built, and way smaller than the largest modern ships, none of which are large enough to hold a representative of every animal species x2.

9/15/2011 4:33:28 AM

Raised by Horses


9/15/2011 4:36:30 AM

Newton

During the winter of 1856 workmen in France digging a railway tunnel through a layer of Jurassic limestone were startled to find a large creature stumbling out of a recently split boulder, flapping what looked like wings and croaking. It died immediately. A local paleontology student identified the animal as a pterodactyl

Fucking enormous citation needed!!!!!

9/15/2011 4:43:37 AM

anevilmeme

Urban myths for Jeezus!!!

9/15/2011 4:45:25 AM

Sadhuman

Same old lies, half truths and nonsense. Let's put you in some rock and see how long you live, bit it isn't a few thousand years is it. The rest has been smashed aside before and will be again. Got anything new perhaps?

9/15/2011 4:46:12 AM

fmitchell

During the 18th century vampires plagued Eastern Europe. Dozens of rural residents reported vampire attacks. Local authorities opened graves, examined the bodies, and staked them. Numerous official government reports attest to this. [1]

The existence of vampires, therefore, has far more documentary evidence than this French pterodactyl.

Or else people back then suffered from mass hysteria, aided by a misunderstanding of how a corpse decomposes. [2] But that's silly.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire#Medieval_and_later_European_folklore

[2] Barber, Paul. Vampires, Burial, and Death.

9/15/2011 4:46:36 AM

Extraintrovert

Lying for Jebus: never stops being entertaining.

Also, fmitchell wins the comments.

9/15/2011 5:02:39 AM

Arctic Knight

"Bear in mind that the ark itself was huge...."

According to the Bible, the ark was 300 cubits long. Most historians put a cubit between 18 and 24 inches. For the sake of argument, we'll use the lowest estimation of a cubit, 18 inches. That would make the ark 450 ft long.

To date, the longest all wood watercraft ever made was 329.5 ft long (not counting the jib boom). It was so long that the timbers would flex allowing water into the hull. Pumps had to be used constantly to keep the ship from filling with water. It was plagued with structural problems because of it's length. Ship experts agree, that the Wyoming had reached the limit of how long an all wood vessel could be and remain intact, and exceeded the practical length of an all wood vessel.

In short, a 450 ft ark would be unstable. It would tear itself apart under its own weight, let alone the weight of its cargo.

Your ark myth falls apart (pun intended) under scrutiny.

9/15/2011 5:02:40 AM

Anon2

Oh, well, y'know, the huge animals aren't as much a problem as the unconfortable question: How did the millions of different insect species fit in the ark? One bettle is small, but millions of different beetles need a LOT of space. Really, really much space.

@Arctic Knight: Thank you for pointing out the structural instability of the ark. If I may add another detail: Besides that the ark would not have been stable even in calm water, it would have needed to survive a class 5+++ hurricane (flooding all of earth in only a few days). The ark would have been teared into splinters in a few microseconds.

9/15/2011 5:20:32 AM

John

Is it reasonable to assume that a pterodactyl could have survived entombed in rock for "millions" of years?

No. Nor is it reasonable to assume that a pterodactyl could have survived entombed in rock for a few days. Does your argument therefore prove the limestone had been created only a few days ago? You'd think the workmen digging in it would have noticed.

The Paluxy River tracks are from dinosaurs. Some pieces of the prints vaguely resembled the general shape of a human footprint. I know a guy who found Jesus' footprint on his toast. Maybe you should add that one to your collection, too.

9/15/2011 5:28:47 AM

D Laurier

@ Anon2, It gets worse when you factor in the force of the rain involved.
You can cut steel with a powerfull enough jet of water. The force of the supposed "fludde" rains would have eroded the roof and upper decks of the ark in a matter of hours.
Rather like shooting a wooden house with a dense cluster of .50 cal machineguns set on autofire for an hour.

And even if the boat survived the initial storm, there are still the problems of ventilation, waste disposal, and food/fresh water storage.
They were at sea for how long after the rains stopped? A year or so?

Engineering and logistics trumps mythology and unsupported claims

9/15/2011 5:40:01 AM

atropa

In response to the "citation needed" statement, the author does appear to have included "citations".

Unfortunately, he or she appears unaware that putting random numbers in square brackets after a statement doesn't make an acutal citation.

I went to the site and there aren't anyreferences that the numbers link to as far as I can tell. I was expecting at least a link to the Onion or Weekly World News.

9/15/2011 5:49:19 AM

Zeus Almighty

In the event you're thinking about putting this fiction into a book, I think the Jurrasic Park people would like a couple of words: Copyright infringement.

9/15/2011 5:58:05 AM

Mister Spak

"Several scientific digs over many years have uncovered numerous intermingled dinosaur and human tracks in the riverbed of the Paluxy River in Texas.[22]"

Even other fundies think you fail with that one.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v25/n2/magic-bullet

"In 1986 a number of leading creationist researchers decided that the evidence of supposedly human and dinosaur footprints, found together at the Paluxy River in Texas, had serious problems. They decided that, pending further research to establish the correct interpretation of the prints, they could no longer be safely used as evidence supporting the fact (based on the biblical account of creation) that man and dinosaur lived at the same time."

9/15/2011 6:11:33 AM

Beltaine

"During the winter of 1856 workmen in France digging a railway tunnel through a layer of Jurassic limestone were startled to find a large creature stumbling out of a recently split boulder, flapping what looked like wings and croaking. It died immediately."

I actually found a reference to this...on "unmuseum.org", so take it with a small siberian salt mine...but even they say that it is likely "someone pulling your leg"

The reference provided on straight talk points to a personal page of some amateur radio operator in Texas, who has no followup references.

As a side note, reference [5] is to the book "Biblical Scientific Creation Model" by Catie Frates......

9/15/2011 6:13:15 AM

Panz

You are a fucking nutcase

#1332523

Actually, no, it wasn't. The Ark's specifications were larger than any wooden ship built because any ship approaching half that size had support problems. The only thing that came near was steel reinforced wooden ships...which I doubt Noah had the ability to build
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world's_largest_wooden_ships

9/15/2011 6:13:38 AM

Doubting Thomas

Bear in mind that the ark itself was huge, and young healthy dinosaurs would have had no problem fitting in it.

Except that it would have been completely crammed full of millions of other animals, not to mention food for them to survive.

During the winter of 1856 workmen in France [discovered a pterodactyl]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to claim [citation needed] on this one, and for the hell of it all the rest, too, because you provide absolutely no footnotes on that page, nor are there any clickable links. I'm wondering if you think that people will believe what you write if you put a number in brackets at the end of your sentence.

9/15/2011 6:51:49 AM

Horsefeathers

"However, if a few dinosaurs survived the Flood, how could these huge monsters have gotten on the ark? Bear in mind that the ark itself was huge, and young healthy dinosaurs would have had no problem fitting in it."

The usual estimate that I see for the Ark's size is about 400 ft. long. This is not "huge" by any means and certainly not enough to hold examples of every living creature on the planet, infant or not.

"Several scientific digs over many years have uncovered numerous intermingled dinosaur and human tracks in the riverbed of the Paluxy River in Texas."

This is a well known misidentification (an intentional one, it seems) of the tracks. Even most creationists back away from this one now.

"In addition, 3,000 dinosaur footprints with human footprints right alongside them were recently discovered in Turkmenistan."

See above.

"Additional evidence that some dinosaurs may have existed until recent times came in 1990 when a very well preserved Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton was found. On examining a cross section of the cells in one of the long bones researchers discovered T-Rex red blood cells. At Montana State University they have been unsuccessfully trying for nine years to prove that they are NOT T-Rex blood cells. If they are, this throws out the whole idea that dinosaurs died out millions of years ago.

Science doesn't spend its time trying to prove what things aren't, jackass. The explanation given--which escapes me at the moment--was accepted by all relevant fields of science.

"[...] Is it reasonable to assume that a pterodactyl could have survived entombed in rock for "millions" of years?"

No. But apparently it's reasonable to assume it could survive entombed in rock for several thousand years, right?

9/15/2011 6:59:57 AM

Philbert McAdamia

"Is it reasonable to assume . . ."

What the fuck would you know about reasonable?
Where did you ever even hear that word?

9/15/2011 7:26:25 AM

The_L

It's not reasonable to assume that a pterodactyl could have survived entombed in rock for 15 minutes. However, it is reasonable to assume that there are hallucinogenic gases underground, and that some railway workers in France may have stumbled onto a pocket of such gas in 1856. It is equally reasonable to assume that you're lying about the whole story.

"Additional evidence that some dinosaurs may have existed until recent times came in 1990 when a very well preserved Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton was found. On examining a cross section of the cells in one of the long bones researchers discovered T-Rex red blood cells. At Montana State University they have been unsuccessfully trying for nine years to prove that they are NOT T-Rex blood cells. If they are, this throws out the whole idea that dinosaurs died out millions [ET*] of years ago."

1. What does "well-preserved" mean? Usually in the case of such skeletons, it means that the skeleton is nearly intact, NOT that the bones look remarkably fresh.

2. Why on earth would people try to prove that a blood cell does not come from the animal it clearly comes from? This makes no sense.

3. If there have been T-Rex blood cells found in preserved marrow, then they are fossilized blood cells. Still doesn't prove a young earth.

9/15/2011 7:27:43 AM

Canadia

[Citation Needed]

9/15/2011 7:44:52 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Bear in mind that the ark itself was huge, and young healthy dinosaurs would have had no problem fitting in it."

Ahem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_largest_wooden_ships

Noah's Ark:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_largest_wooden_ships#Unconfirmed_or_mythological

Rochambeau:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_largest_wooden_ships#Largest_known_wooden_ships

Now, ask yourself this question: why hadn't Thor Heyerdahl built a 1:1 scale replica of the Ark? I refer you to the latter Wiki entry. 'Known'. 'Unconfirmed or Mythological'. Learn the difference. It could save your life.

I love the smell of arguments blasted out of the water in the morning. Smells like... victory.

'Fundies don't surf!' [/Col. Kilgore] X3

9/15/2011 7:51:02 AM

aaa

This shit again? Seriously?

9/15/2011 7:59:04 AM
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