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There is so much wrong with this, I don't know where to start.
9/17/2011 5:24:02 AM
Wow. Nothing like a nice, warm bowl of crazy for breakfast.
"Liberalism in all of its myriad of permutations [...] democracy [...] it's all liberal fascism, it's all anti-God, anti-intellectual and Obama is using these pernicious ideas to purposely destroy America"
...so, you're saying democracy is bad, yet we're the fascists? LOLWUT?? Nevermind that fascism was a product of the far right (i.e. you). Also, if you think democracy is unconstitutional, you might want to try actually reading our Constitution.
9/17/2011 5:26:57 AM
Well, when I remember history class correctly, the French Revolution was inspired by something called the American Revolution.
Y'know, some guys wrote something like this a long time ago: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" and further something about "unalienable Rights, among them Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".
Might have been the inspiration for "Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite", don't you think so?
And that the USA demonstrated that it is possible to chase away an absolutist king and install a functioning republican government instead might also have been an inspiring factor for the french revolution.
Furthermore, near New York City there is some big statue, one of the most popular tourist photo objects. The Statue of Liberty. Now consult a history book, from whom the USA received this statue as a gift...
9/17/2011 5:49:22 AM
It's not just that they saw our revolution and decided to have their own. France spent quite a bit of money supporting the American side because they knew it would hurt Britain. As a result, they were heavily in debt, which certainly provided a fertile breeding ground for a revolution to spring up. So you could almost say it was the American revolution which eventually caused the French one.
What's even worse, especially for WND people, is that the AMERICAN founding fathers were also products of the Enlightenment. They took their Enlightenment ideas wrote them down in a document that we call ... wait for it ... The US Constitution. I love how these guys try to simultaneously hold up the Constitution as if its a holy writ from god, while trying to ignore what it actually says inside.
9/17/2011 6:07:26 AM
Anon2, please, rewriting history so the world revolves around you is one of the things that makes the world laugh at the USA. Unless you're trolling, avoid such a basic mistake.
9/17/2011 6:10:27 AM
Sorry, but I don't understand your accusations. Please elaborate: On what point did I "rewrite history so it revolves around me"?
For example, in this wikipedia article, it is stated:
"The American Revolution demonstrated that it was plausible for Enlightenment ideas about how a government should be organized could actually be put into practice. Some American diplomats, like Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, had lived in Paris where they consorted freely with members of the French intellectual class. Furthermore, contact between American revolutionaries and the French troops who served as anti-British mercenaries in North America helped spread revolutionary ideals to the French people."
Please tell me why it is incorrect to say that the French Revolution was inspired by the American Revolution?
I should add that I don't intend at all to defend the nonsense written by "Ellis Washington". Quite the contrary. If I made the impression of trolling by writing anything imprecise (which I still don't know what it might be), I apologize.
9/17/2011 6:15:15 AM
I stopped reading when you got the cause of the French Revolution wrong.
9/17/2011 6:28:58 AM
I say the exact same thing but replace liberal words with republican ones. I am too lazy to Fix your post but you get the idea. Some one else here will more then likely do it for me later on.
I swear I remember that those Puritans you talk off almost died, something like the savage Native Americans had to save them. Not sure on my American history but that is what I remember.
9/17/2011 6:31:39 AM
Yeah, it's all Obama's fault.
9/17/2011 7:10:57 AM
That the intellectual elite of two nations undergoing social changes at the same time exchanged ideas on said changes must absolutely mean that it was a one-way process and that one was leading the other.
There is absolutely no historical record of events leading up to the French revolution unfolding over a good two generations. They were just sitting there waiting for someone to show them how it's done. You know, when a country's material and cultural situation no longer matches their form of government, they suck it up and wait for another country to tell them what to do.
Look. I know how the US likes to think it's a "beacon of liberty" to the whole world and that nobody would be free without it.
But a good part of the western world was at an equivalent point in its development at the time, it's absurd to think they were all dependent on YOUR country overthrowing its government first. It was due.
I'll concede that French history classes would do better mentionning the other nations' contribution to the Enlightment and how political events of the time were wider than a country's borders, but they at least don't go as far as claim "We made the whole thing possible for everybody lol."
If you didn't mean it that way, sorry for over-reacting then, I may have met too many Americans who do think that because all the developments of that epoch happened simultaneously with the American revolution, the latter must be central to everything else.
And since I'm not very skilled at debating in the first place, I get defensive easily.
9/17/2011 7:52:51 AM
There's a black guy in the white house and you don't like it. Basically that's what you're saying.
9/17/2011 7:59:44 AM
thank you for your reply. I think I better understand now what you didn't like in my original post. First of all, I should mention that I am NOT an american, but a german.
I didn't want to say at all "Solely America brought freedom on earth!", and I don't want at all to ignore the other complex causes of the french revolution. It was rather that both historical events of the french and the american revolution are connected. Both are a product of the enlightenment, based on ideas of democracy, liberty and human rights. Of course, it was the French who did the hard work of toppling the ancien regime. The preceding american revolution was only one piece of the puzzle to understand what happened in those years, but it is a piece which cannot be ignored.
When I emphasize on the connection between the american and the french revolution, I rather want to prove the absurdity of "Ellis Washington"'s crazy statement. That was the main intention of my original statement. Ellis Washington is one of these persons who want to rewrite history by claiming that the US constitution is somehow supporting a theocracy. She is painting the french revolution as a "godless, wicked and evil revolution", and claims that Obama wants to do the same. It is rather people like Ellis Washington who should read about the origins of their own constitution, which has nothing to do with a theocracy. It is those people who are committing treason against their own constitution, who are a huge danger to democracy and liberty.
Again, I want to apologize if I made the impression of trolling.
9/17/2011 8:03:47 AM
And I apologise for treating you with an annoyance that somebody else entirely had earned.
9/17/2011 8:12:44 AM
which all led directly to the decline of Western civilization
Because an unparalleled period of invention where we went from Industrial technology to computers, cell phones, the internet, revolutionary new medical technologies, and huge upgrades in every technology that existed before Darwin is totally the mark of a declining civilization. Just like getting a raise at work leads to a decline in your savings account.
9/17/2011 8:15:53 AM
What the fuck is this?! Literally the ONLY thing right about this is that the French revolution became a violent war against Christianity and dissenters after the Reign of Terror started. (Which makes the perpetrators liberals in name only, but I digress.) Everything else here is so backwards that I cannot respond to the malice.
Well at least we now have undeniable proof that fascists write at Weltnetzwerk Taglich...
This is EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. Arrogant Europeans denying the United States credit for ANYTHING good! Europeans honestly believe that they created the ideals of freedom and democracy all by them-fucking-selves. Why does America get no respect?
9/17/2011 8:18:29 AM
...Wait a minute. "[F]ounding of America in 1607"?! Putting aside the whole naming debacle, I think we have the precedent that Washington's relying on here. She thinks that all the understandings of Revolution, Constitution included, are somehow direct descendants of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Despite Virginia, Maryland, etc. being settled independently of the Congregationalists' efforts.
At least we can safely say that she isn't anti-Catholic (since she's decrying the attack on the French clergy, which would have been Catholic at that time).
9/17/2011 8:31:52 AM
Why these twits insist that ideals created by US citizens existed before their own nation?
Giving them the fuzzy feeling that their bullshit political struggle that will never fucking ever reach compromise or just to be dicks?
Either way, BLAME ZEH LIBRULS. If its there and I don't like it LIBERALS!
9/17/2011 8:43:46 AM
Romantic Marxism, liberal fascism, fuzzy baldness...
9/17/2011 8:44:12 AM
Ah, the presbyterians and puritans. Reminds me of a quote.
The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
Reminds me of these twits, god help the bastard that you know, want to have the pursuit towards happiness.
9/17/2011 8:52:40 AM
I call poe on this. Too damn stupid to be serious
9/17/2011 9:12:37 AM
@Brendan Rizzo : maybe because the European colonies that would eventually become the United States were culturally irrelevant at the time those ideals were created? The Enlightenment was a strictly European movement. America didn't invent the ideas it was built from. It was build by European people, based on European ideals. And American people just can't seem to accept that.
On the other hand, Americans were the first ones to actually put those ideals in practice on a large scale, instead of sitting on their fat asses and philosophizing about freedom for the intellectual pleasure of the tyrannic nobility that patronized them. And European people, especially French people, just can't seem to accept that.
Therefore, American history curricula wants you to believe that it was American colonists who invented truth, justice and the American way, while French history curricula will insist that the French revolution is the true realization of the Enlightenment ideals.
(For the sake of the argument, I'm supposing here that the Enlightenment movement actually created all the ideas that were later attributed to it. This is unrealistic, but complexity in history tend to be of the infinitely recursive kind)
9/17/2011 9:18:13 AM
It's hard for the sane person to understand so much stupid, but is he trying to blame Obama for the French Revolution?
9/17/2011 9:20:04 AM
Some say that the French Revolution was a war by traditionalist who thought that France was getting too progressive.
What's so romantic about Darwin, Marx or Nietzsche?
I bet they all respected Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Did the popes of the Dark Ages respect them?
Yeah, those horrible fascist liberal concepts of freedom and human rights!
Who's trying to "deconstruct" the US Constitution? The ones who say that it states that America is a Christian Nation or the ones who tries to make sure that all citizens have access to reasonably priced health care?
I thought the US of A was founded in 1787... Guess I was almost two hundred years too late.
Or maybe not, I see this is WingNut Daily.
9/17/2011 9:32:25 AM
"...progressivism and living constitutionalism – it's all liberal fascism, it's all anti-God, anti-intellectual and Obama is using these pernicious ideas to purposely destroy America and deconstruct the U.S. Constitution so that he, the Democratic Party and its globalist allies can rule into perpetuity."
He just... contradicted himself... in a single sentence. Living constitutionalism is Anti-God... Obama wants to deconstruct the Constitution... I... urk-
9/17/2011 9:47:01 AM
I know exactly what you mean. It's infuriating. People from other countries take the truth- that America is far from perfect, that the European front of World War Two was mostly won by the Soviets- and exaggerate it into absolutely RIDICULOUS claims! Like that America is some horrible imperialist power, hungry for oil at the behest of the other nations- well, gee, HOW long did it take, again, for Europe to relinquish it's colonies...? And they pretend that Americans did little to nothing during WW2 and then immediately took all the credit. REALLY?
Ugh, but the worst of it is that they just accuse Americans of conforming to absolutely every stereotype, and agreeing with absolutely EVERYTHING their government does, or are even responsible for it! They have the gall to insult the US by saying that all the states are Texas and all the people are Rick Perrys and Sarah Palins. But fatter. And with less knowledge of geography, if possible.
Newsflash, haters: Very few people agree with the wars. Even less like the Patriot act. We don't think that America invented freedom or saved the day all by itself in WW2. Dammit, WE AREN'T ALL FAT, WE KNOW WHERE DENMARK IS, AND WE KNOW THAT BRAZILIANS SPEAK PORTUGUESE!!!
9/17/2011 10:02:26 AM
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