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It is time New Atheists like Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett, Harris and Co. are called upon to “put up or shut up.” Will the New Atheists take the challenge from a simple Christian? I challenge atheists to leave their ivory towers, lecture halls, etc., to put up or shut up.

Tell us that you do or do not believe the unsupportable, even outrageous teaching that nothing created everything. I promise not to laugh out loud–maybe only a snicker or two. And don’t try to flimflam us common people with scientific jargon, but make your points in clear English.

Tell us how all the scientific laws evolved such as gravity, inertia, the First and Second Laws, laws of planetary motion, etc. How does a scientific law evolve? If they did not evolve, where did they come from?

Did the evolution of those laws precede or follow the Big Bang?

Can you provide any example of an explosion resulting in order?

Tell us how life first formed on this planet made up entirely of rock? All atheists want to sit down beside

Darwin’s warm little pond and watch the first forms of life, but I demand to know much more than that if I’m expected to consider the idea has any possibility.

Do you, or do you not, believe in spontaneous generation? No honest scientist will agree to that fable.

Where are the ancestors of insects?

Why are meteorites not found in ancient rocks? Could it be that the rocks are not ancient?

Tell us how men and women evolved at the same time in history at the same location? What if “early man” had been all male!

Which evolved first, the mouth, the stomach, the digestive system or the elimination system? What good is a mouth if there is no stomach or a digestive system and what good are the three without an elimination system?

Tell us why we are here and where we go when death finally comes for us? Why have people all over the Earth since the beginning of time been concerned with that concept?



Don Boys, http://americandaily.com 79 Comments [9/17/2011 5:27:25 AM]
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Nathan

Why don't you, instead, go into one of our lecture halls and actually listen to what we say? You might - the horrors! - LEARN something.

9/17/2011 5:49:57 AM

Anon2

It doesn't make sense to answer any of these questions.

I'm quite sure "Don Boys" isn't interested at all in an honest intellectual discussion. The only thing he is interested in our answers is to scan them for any point which might have a weakness, and then to hit hard onto this one singular weak point, completely ignoring all the other overwhelming evidence we give him.

"Don Boys", first you must demonstrate that you are interested in an honest discussion. To speak frankly: I don't trust you at all. I think that you are nothing but a bully. I think so because of the behaviour of your fellow fundie christians, and because of the general style in which you have written your catalogue of questions.

9/17/2011 5:57:43 AM

OtakuX

Why is it these people have no problem beliving a magic man in the sky could have always existed, but the laws of physics had to be created?

9/17/2011 6:01:48 AM

Matante

I second everything Anon2 said.

Also, having someone with that attitude in my family, I expect the "big mistake" he'll latch onto to be a mispronounced word or an hesitation, or a correct fact that you just don't remember the source of. Something that isn't an actual mistake...

9/17/2011 6:06:22 AM

Sadhuman

I challenge you to do the same with your Bible. Asking stupid questions in the hope no one can answer them is not going to beat Science, you will be steam rolled with the answer that best fits at the moment or be met with the honest "We don't know yet". Neither of which disprove Science.

Of course your holy book is gods word, so it should be perfect no matter what right...there can't be anything in it that doesn't make sense or is a contradiction of something else is there?

Also it is you guys who believe in spontaneous generation. Saying god did it is as good as any other religions answer or me saying a magical unicorn did it.

9/17/2011 6:23:19 AM

anevilmeme

Do you think your clever for asking these questions? You're not.

How does someone like this manage to function thru life learning nothing about the world they live in?

Does believing the bible really make people this ignorant?

9/17/2011 6:24:49 AM

The_L

"Which evolved first, the mouth, the stomach, the digestive system or the elimination system?"

OK, that's just a stupid question. Organs don't generally evolve one at a time--the entire concept of a digestive system evolved first, via a two-way digestive system with a mouth/anus (which later evolved into the one-way digestive system that most animals have today).

Given the sort of things you're spewing, I'd say you're the only human I've discovered with a two-way digestive system.

9/17/2011 6:28:04 AM

Dr. Razark

"by Don Boys, Ph.D."?

Seriously? Ph.D.?

Whoever gave you a degree needs to revoke it. You have demonstrated that you are incapable of using critical thinking skills. You even end with Pascal's Wager!

"Is atheism really worth the risk? Eternity is a long time to be wrong. If I am wrong about eternity then it costs me nothing, but if atheists are wrong, they have lost everything, including their souls."

I hope you kept the receipt for that Ph.D. Perhaps you can get a refund, since you obviously didn't get anything for the cost. That's why I went with the $20 doctorate, instead of the $100 Ph.D.

9/17/2011 6:47:44 AM

Eisenhorn

The short version:

Don Boys: Can your beloved atheist science explain how it rains?

Everyone: YES IT CAN!

I looked for a clip of that scene but couldn't find it on youtube <_<

9/17/2011 6:55:32 AM

D Laurier

Done, and done to death.

9/17/2011 7:12:44 AM

Panz

They have, no "challenge" required, you obviously didn't listen

9/17/2011 7:18:51 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Basic misunderstanding of science again. No one, absolutely no one, believes that nothing created everything. The Big Bang theory states that there never was nothing to begin with. Time and space didn't exist until then, so it's meaningless to speak of a beginning. Ergo, there was never a time when there was nothing. The laws of physics aren't independent of each other like fundies seem to think. Each law depends on the other, so there is no way that they could have been anything other than what they actually are. The rest of this is even worse strawmen which I won't bother to debunk.

9/17/2011 8:13:51 AM

Alencon

Scientific laws evolve?

Do you suppose we should tell him that scientific laws are simply descriptions of observations of the natural world?

9/17/2011 8:30:08 AM



Yes, tell us all those things and prove to us that the great flying spaghetti monster did not create us all. Bless his noodly appendage.

9/17/2011 8:34:38 AM

dionysus

What's the challenge here? How long can they listen to your questions without literally dying of laughter?

Tell us that you do or do not believe the unsupportable, even outrageous teaching that nothing created everything.

Easy, no.

Tell us how all the scientific laws...where did they come from?

They are descriptive features of the universe not prescriptive laws. They describe what is happening i.e. when we describe that an object in motion stays in motion we're simply commenting on what's happening. It's not like congress passed a bill making it illegal for an object in motion to stop and any object that does gets thrown in jail. I'm not going to touch the bullshit about them evolving.

Can you provide any example of an explosion resulting in order?

Explosions can produce crystals. But that's irrelevant because the Big Bang is not an explosion but an expansion.

Tell us how life first formed on this planet made up entirely of rock?

The complex reaction of many organic chemicals and water, all of which exist in space on asteroids.

Do you, or do you not, believe in spontaneous generation?

No.

Where are the ancestors of insects?

Dead.

Why are meteorites not found in ancient rocks?

Meteorites usually ARE rocks, dipshit and we have plenty of ancient impact sites which show a distinctly high concentration of iridium.

Tell us how men and women evolved at the same time in history at the same location?

Evolution happens to populations, not individuals.

Which evolved first, the mouth, the stomach, the digestive system or the elimination system?

Technically the digestive system. Food was first simply absorbed by single-celled organisms. This question shows how lazy you are as bacteria have no mouth, stomach, or anus and they do just fine.

Tell us why we are here

Why? Why do you need some authority to tell you what the purpose of life is? Find your own purpose, you don't need Richard Dawkins or some man in the pulpit to define it for you.

and where we go when death finally comes for us?

A grave. Or possibly in a lake if we've pissed off the wrong people.

Why have people all over the Earth since the beginning of time been concerned with that concept?

Because people don't tend to enjoy death. Goths and emos notwithstanding.

9/17/2011 8:35:59 AM

nazani14

on the insect question -
http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/There_are_no_fossil_ancestors_of_insects

9/17/2011 8:39:57 AM

freako104

You'll probably be the one shutting up. And you aren't worth their time. Hell very few people would be able to take you seriously. And those that do will make you wish you didn't call anyone out.

9/17/2011 9:09:59 AM

Skatepunk

There is just as little (probably even less) biblical evidence as there is "Darwinist" evidence.

9/17/2011 9:43:16 AM

Orion

" I challenge atheists to leave their ivory towers, lecture halls, etc"

I hate this seemingly common American phenomenon of assuming intellectuals in universities are just over-educated fools with no real understanding of the outside world. Just dismissing anyone because they have book learnins instead of down-home country real life experiences (read: non-representative anecdotes) about how "real life" works.

9/17/2011 10:05:11 AM



Don Boys PhD. He got a doctorate, was elected to public office, wrote a book and is sought out by many to speak on many issues. Amazing achievements for someone who was apparently born without the ability to think rationally about anything at all.

eta @Orion: I have personally experienced this phenomenon here in the UK. It is a depressingly common occurrence to be honest.

9/17/2011 10:05:48 AM

Swede

Nothing created everything? No, there was a singularity that expanded and became the Universe. About 10 lumps of matter formed orbs around a large energy orb. Non-living matter on the third orb mutated into living matter and mutated into lumps of living matter, which mutated into different kinds of lumps of living matter.
There is no "nothing" anywhere here, whatsoever.

To anyone with a decent education (by which I mean about 12 years of mixed education, both social studies, languages and basic science studies) scientific jargon is fairly clear English.

All scientific ideas evolved through the scientific method. If you don't know what that is, you need to repeat the whole of 7th grade.

As laws are human concepts they evolved long after humans had evolved enough brain power to figure out how the world works.

No explosion results in order, stupid. The Big bang was an expansion, not an explosion. Think about a hot air balloon; first its just a ball of disorderly material, but when it expands with the hot air, it becomes a large smooth orderly balloon.
That is basically what the Big Bang was, first a pea sized ball, then it expanded into a Universe-sized balloon.

9/17/2011 10:23:09 AM

Ormspryde

Asking someone to attempt to educate you when you not only do NOT intend to listen or attempt to better yourself BUT ALSO intend to try and prove wrong someone who's likely so much smarter than you that it'd make your head spin is the epitome of batshittery.

9/17/2011 10:26:06 AM

Swede

Part 2
Darwin didn't do research into Abiogenesis, but into Evolution, stupid.

The ancestors of insects are extinct, as are everyone else's ancestors. Where are all the four-legged insects mentioned in the Bible?

Matter from meteorites are found in rocks all the time. All rocks are ancient.

Evolution happens trough random mutation and natural selection. The selection happens when more prosperous individuals get to produce more offspring than less prosperous individuals.
Reproduction happens (mostly) through sex between different genders. Get the point yet?

They all evolved more or less simultaneously. The digestive system might have been the first one. If the digestion is really effective, no elimination system is needed; there is nothing left.

There is no reason why we are here. Why are the trees here and where do they go when death finally comes to them? We are all here to eat and be eaten, to mix our genes with others of the same species and produce offspring.

We humans have active imaginations and WANT to have a purpose. The fact that we don't find any purpose makes our active imaginations create a purpose, a reason for our existence. That's where the creation story comes from; we created it to explain what we couldn't explain at the time.

People have not existed since the beginning of time. We are a fairly recent edition; humanoids are only a few million years old.

If Homo Sapiens became extinct in a hundred years, the Earth would heal (most of) the wounds we've inflicted on her in a few hundred years and life would go on without us. That is how important we are to the Earth.

9/17/2011 10:27:37 AM

Raised by Horses

Normally, I'd take the time to answer that avalanche of questions, but in this case I'd be wasting my time, because you've already decided that you are right, everyone else is wrong, and whatever answers you'd receive would be waved away through a combination of mental gymnastics, sheer denial and logical fallacies.

So, in the words of Kurt Vonnegut, let me throw one question back at you: Why don't you take a flying fuck at a rolling donut?

9/17/2011 10:46:13 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Orion

' I challenge atheists to leave their ivory towers, lecture halls, etc'

"I hate this seemingly common American phenomenon of assuming intellectuals in universities are just over-educated fools with no real understanding of the outside world. Just dismissing anyone because they have book learnins instead of down-home country real life experiences (read: non-representative anecdotes) about how "real life" works."

Fortunately, even in the 'lowest common denominator' "X-Fucktor/Britain's Got (No) Talent/Jeremy Vile"-watching Chav parts of Britain, at least they're not fundies, even though such lowlifes are our equivalent of Rednecks (UK Chavs = US 'Trailer trash').

And that's the difference.

But you've hit the nail on the head, though, re. the blatant 'Inferiority Complex' that fundies in the US have (especially in the Bible Belt) - and worse still, they revel in their unjustifiable ignorance & educational inferiority.

I may have not gone to college/university, post-6th Form at my comprehensive school, but the education I received - to say nothing of what I learned via my own efforts (frequenting libraries, TV science/nature documentaries etc) - has resulted in the left-wing Atheist I am today. The only intolerance I have is for those who are intolerant as a result of being educationally inferior due to their own self-induced ignorance. There's a good eason why education is compulsory, and there are plenty of state schools out there; there's no excuse for being illiterate & ignorant.

9/17/2011 11:05:39 AM
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