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There are more Dominionist Christians and Conspiracy Theorists than there are Moslems in the States....
So why are we afraid of them, again?
And the whole 12th Imam conspiracy thing reeks of Glenn Beck's sloppy seconds. AT LEAST BE ORIGINAL, ELLIS!
Seriously, though, we are as likely to have a Moslem Caliphate here as we are a Bolshevik Revolution.
9/21/2011 10:30:22 PM
That would work about as well as a Vegetarian/Carnivore axis!
9/22/2011 4:11:42 AM
@Raised by Horses
"they are concrete decrees, to be upheld by all true believers on pain of death (and eternal torment).
So "Raised by Horses" you think you're god or something?
This is a classic False Dilemma fallacy.
You attempt to state "All Christians must think alike and if they don't then they're acting against their religion" is only your opinion, which is no more valid than anyone else's.
So all you have proven, is that the only way you can justify yourself is by assigning the other side beliefs for them.
9/22/2011 11:06:39 PM
Heads I win, tails you lose.
9/22/2011 11:11:26 PM
Apart from the fact that this is a total load of shit, and the fact that the Muslims have much more in common with you lot than with 'progressives'......I thought you people wanted the apocalypse to come? Doesn't your Bible say it will happen? So it's God's will, right?
9/24/2011 5:46:37 AM
Raised by Horses
"This is a classic False Dilemma fallacy. You attempt to state 'All Christians must think alike and if they don't then they're acting against their religion" is only your opinion, which is no more valid than anyone else's.' So all you have proven, is that the only way you can justify yourself is by assigning the other side beliefs for them."
I see your accusation of creating a False Dilemma, and I raise you a Red Herring. First of all, I never said anything of the sort. You are putting words into my mouth. My earlier comment about Muslims applies equally to Christians. What I did say is that the Bible sets down certain laws and proscriptions which must be followed if one wishes to end up in Heaven instead of Hell. These are the Christian sacred texts, with no authority above them. What you have said, and essentially confirmed, is that you don't take your holy texts entirely seriously. And that's the whole point. How exactly do you arbitrate? By what criterion do you decide which parts to accept and which parts to ignore, if not your own sense of morality? And if you can dismiss parts of it because they are not to your own liking, what reason is there to take any of it seriously?
"So "Raised by Horses" you think you're god or something?"
Don't throw out childish questions to which we both already know the answer. It's disingenuous, and it serves only to derail any real debate. We'll chalk it up to a petulant tantrum resulting from losing a debate point and move on, shall we?
Just so there's no ambiguity here, I am not trying to browbeat you, or saying that you're not a good or moral person or anything like that. What I am saying is that I think you need to examine your own notions of morality as it relates to your religion more critically. And I welcome debate about the matter, but only if it is intellectually honest debate, free from distractions and misdirection.
9/24/2011 7:41:41 PM
Wow, that's weapon-grade crazy!
9/25/2011 4:14:43 PM
Word salad. More disturbing for it being on a purported "news"site.
9/26/2011 12:43:58 AM
@Raised by Horses
"What you have said, and essentially confirmed, is that you don't take your holy texts entirely seriously. And that's the whole point. How exactly do you arbitrate? By what criterion do you decide which parts to accept and which parts to ignore, if not your own sense of morality? And if you can dismiss parts of it because they are not to your own liking, what reason is there to take any of it seriously?"
Alright now I see where you were coming from.
It was confusion not a demand.
10/2/2011 9:07:40 PM
"Heads the Progressive-Muslim Axis wins – tails Western civilization, Christianity and Israel lose."
Sounds like the pitch, nay, the tagline, for a fundie version of "Alien vs. Predator":
Islamists vs. Theocratic Christian Dominionists: whoever wins, we all lose.
...fortunately for Western Civilisation, Europe is very secular. PROTIP: there are more Muslim citizens/immigrants in the US than in most of the EU put together. Do you have Sharia law in your country, Ellis? If your answer is the only one possible, you've just destroyed your own argument. So we over here aren't as right-wingnut fundie nutty buggers as you lot are 'over the pond'; you lot aren't allowed to 'persecute' others not exactly like you. Your power - certainly political - is n the wane, if not dying altogether.
Deal with it.
10/3/2011 9:07:21 AM
You do realise that Marx was critical of "Utopian Socialism" (ie that of the likes of Proudhon, Saint-Simon etc) as "building a little Icaria" and ignoring the concept of the progress of history which would lead to communism. He dismissed them because they were considered to be idealist rather than focussing upon the actual material relations; many of them scorned industrialism whereas Marx praised it (as well as condemned it) for allowing for progress despite the barbarity caused by it. Marx considered such schemes of the utopian socialists to be building castles in the air.
Oh wait of course you don't realise that because you're a fundie who knows jack shit about Marxism.
(Marx was against utopia to allow for its realisation to quote Adorno)
5/14/2012 6:43:00 AM
Oh great...this guy again! *rolls eyes*
Stop with the martyr act already...it was funny before, now it's just annoying and pathetic!
9/16/2012 11:25:16 AM
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