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“There’s one big fact that’s not backed up. There is no proof that there’s ever anything like a gay, lesbian or bisexual or transgendered child, or teen or human"
Okay. Then there's one big fact that's backed up by Emeritus Professors of Theology: right-wing Fundamental
ist Christians like Linda here aren't actually
followers of Christ, who promoted peace, love of your fellow man - and woman, and tolerance
(and just that. Nothing else, doctrine-wise). Finito. End of discussion. Everything else follows from that, beliefs-wise (PROTIP: Quakers. Unitarian Universalists). If anything, right-wing Fundamental
ist Christians are actually Paulians masquerading as Christians, who think whatever Paul says is Holy Writ. When it isn't
Now, I'm no Professor of Theology, but I'm sure they would ask you this exact same question: Care to point out anywhere in the New Testament, where Jesus himself condemns homosexuality?
(PROTIP: The NT was written to replace
the old laws in the Old Testament. As in to render such completely obsolete
ist Christian dogma = 'WWPD
Similarly, to take your own logic to it's ultimate extreme, then - as you & your ilk are nothing more than Paulians, and not
followers of Jesus - therefore right-wing Fundamental
ist Christians don't
exist. And as you
and your ilk don't
exist, ergo, you have absolutely no rights whatsoever - not even the right to exist. Thus your complaints of 'Persecution' are invalid. We Atheists don't listen to the nonexistent. Q.E. and D.
Here endeth the lesson.
"Elvis is still alive and working in a car wash in Minnesota"
Actually, he's working at a fish & chip shop in my locale. I know a guy who swears that's him. [/Kirsty MacColl]
9/24/2011 11:02:47 AM
sounds like solipsism to me
9/24/2011 11:09:13 AM
Fundies Make Me Sick
There's no proof God exists either, you demonic shrew.
9/24/2011 12:12:32 PM
There's no proof of a transgendered human? Go tune in to Dancing with the Stars. Take a good hard look at Chaz Bono. Then google "Chastity Bono". Uncanny resemblance, eh?
9/24/2011 1:22:03 PM
"...it just seems to me that the whole thing is just the human equivalent of pigs revelling in slop. A systematic challenge to ourselves as people to see who can debase our species as fragrantly as possible. It's disgusting, it's abnormal, and it's done purely for shock value."
Okay, you just compared a significant segment of the commentators of this website to pigs who revel in slop, so I'd like to take the time to forewarn you of the possible angry responses you're likely going to get later on in this comment thread.
"This has been your daily reality check."
Judging from your comment, it is doubtful whether you truly know many gay people, if you know any at all, because I can guarantee you that most of them have no intention of shocking society, but rather to be free to live their lives with the dignity of being equal-standing citizens under the law.
With all that said, I think you're the one in need of a reality check.
9/24/2011 2:05:34 PM
Linda Harvey, the founder of Mission America, says that LGBT people don’t exist. She made the comments during her weekend broadcast while she was attacking the Gay, Lesbian, And Straight Education Network.
If they "don't exist" then just who is Linda Harvey and others of her ilk attacking so fervently?
Harvey was particularly perturbed by the GLSEN Sports Program which works towards “creating and maintaining an athletic and physical education climate that is based on the core principles of respect, safety and equal access for all students, teachers and coaches regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression.”
Because "respect, safety and equal access for all" are such evil and immoral concepts? Or does it have more to do with te fact these values and concept are being extended to, and let's not sugarcoat it, extended to people that you, for whatever reason, just don't like!
Harvey believes there is no need for such a program because according to her, there is no proof that LGBT people exist.
Covering you're ears and yelling "lalala I can't hear you" over and over ad infinitum will not make LGBT people suddenly cease to exist.
Harvey: “There’s one big fact that’s not backed up. There is no proof that there’s ever anything like a gay, lesbian or bisexual or transgendered child, or teen or human.
Then how do you explain all the LGBT people? Wait, let me guess? They aren't "really" LGBT, they just choose to be attracted to members of the same gender/both genders because they hate god, right?
Moreover, if there is no such thing as LGBT people then why are wasting so much effort railing against a figure of your imagination? IMO your inability to tell reality from fantasy combined with your desire to oppress people who you freely admit do not even exist, makes you not only delusional but also a potential danger to both yourself and those around you.
9/24/2011 6:06:24 PM
I don't even understand how anyone can even say this. So you honestly think all those people (kids, even) who say that they're attracted to the same sex are lying or don't know what their own feelings are?
Go fuck yourself, Linda. You're a pitiful excuse for a human being.
9/24/2011 8:28:25 PM
Linda Harvey's point of view is like that of a baby who covers his eyes and thinks the world dissapears.
9/24/2011 8:49:55 PM
Raised by Horses
"So you flame her, but can any of you actually address the content of her statement?"
Harvey's comment here is simply proof by assertion, which is a non-argument. We're not bothering with refuting it because there is nothing to refute. Simply put, that which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
As for your own comment, what you've said here essentially boils down to claiming that gay people act gay simply to get on other peoples' nerves or to challenge their sense of decency, an "argument" so laughable that it isn't worth rebutting, and would barely merit derision were it not for the rampant homophobia that still saturates modern society.
This has been your daily correction. The first of many, I suspect, if your grasp of logic is as tenuous as it appears to be.
9/25/2011 3:08:22 AM
"But it just seems to me that the whole thing is just the human equivalent of pigs revelling in slop."
Ahhh...but Trollexia, piggies need their slop! Slop is good, normal & healthy! If you mean "slop" as in mud, well, pigs NEED mud! They don't sweat so they roll-around in the mud to stay cool...or else their porky round bodies get sunburned & overheat.
If you mean "slop" as in food...THEY NEED TO EAT, YOU BONEHEAD!!! YOU WANT THEM TO STARVE?!! THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET NOURISHMENT FROM AIR, YOU NIMROD!!!!
Therefore, your analogy favors US! *NYAH*!!!
9/25/2011 4:02:45 AM
9/25/2011 4:17:07 AM
So you flame her, but can any of you actually address the content of her statement?
I am sorry to hear that your reading comprehension is so low. Go back, and re-read some of the posts dissecting the OP.
Either that, or you are making that comment for "shock value"
Personally I view homosexuality as depravity for the sake of depravity.
Fine. You are entitled to your own opinions. I find it depraved how so many people can slavishly follow an outdated book of fables from a iron age culture.
Far be it from me to tell someone what they can and cannot do with another adult capable of giving consent,
At least you got this part correct
but it just seems to me that the whole thing is just the human equivalent of pigs revelling in slop.
I feel the same about you and your ilk's continual wallowing in the cess pit of iron age fables, reveling in your persecution complex and monomaniacal belief that you are superior to everyone on the planet because some guy at a pulpit one Sunday told you so.
A systematic challenge to ourselves as people to see who can debase our species as fragrantly as possible. It's disgusting, it's abnormal, and it's done purely for shock value.
actually, it is you and the rest of the sheeple who are trying to drag the rest of us down with you.
Case in point...
This has been your daily reality check.
This has been YOUR reality check.
9/25/2011 5:06:44 AM
There have been plenty of de facto rebuttals to Harvey's insanely stupid argument, but you choose to ignore them. You don't look any brighter for trying to defend your lunatic buddy Linda.
Personally I view your bigotry as depravity for the sake of depravity. Far be it from me to tell someone what they can and cannot do with a barely functioning brain stem, but your viciousness is just the human equivalent of pigs revelling in slop. A systematic challenge to ourselves as people to see who can debase our species as fragrantly as possible. It's disgusting, it's abnormal, and it's done purely for shock value.
This has been your daily reality check.
ETA: Just caught the "fragrantly". Was troll having a savant-like moment of wit?
9/25/2011 7:03:50 AM
Yep. I knew it. I fucking KNEW this is how you would all behave toward someone who expressed an opinion outside the liberal mainstream. You lot put on airs of being so superior because you have "tolerance". This is just proof that "tolerance" is merely a political buzzword, applying only when it suits your agenda. And for the record, Wyzard, you little dimwit, I'm an atheist, but an atheist without a dogma. I can understand how the folks around here might get confused, having never seen one before. Anyway, please continue to tell me what an awful person I am for having an unpopular opinion, so you can reassure yourselves that you're doing it for the sake of "tolerance".
9/25/2011 8:52:34 AM
Jezebel's Evil Sister
" ... Yep. I knew it. I fucking KNEW this is how you would all behave toward someone who expressed an opinion outside the liberal mainstream. ..."
Well, of course, you knew what reaction you'd get. That's why you deliberately posted something hateful and disgusting — so you could work yourself up to a state of righteous anger over getting just the sort of responses you want and need to in order to justify your pathetic existence in your own mind. You ain't nothing but a TROLL.
9/25/2011 9:53:59 AM
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9/25/2011 1:02:45 PM
We don't care if you're an atheist. That's irrelevant. Being an atheist doesn't mean that you aren't a bigoted, small-minded excuse for a human being. You made a stupid and bigoted comment. People called you out on it. If you say something ridiculous, people are going to ridicule you for it. That't the way the world works.
You compared all homosexuals to pigs. You called all homosexuals depraved and abnormal. You claimed that all homosexuals chose to be so simply for the shock value. But we're the intolerant and dogmatic ones. Sure.
9/25/2011 1:52:59 PM
Of course, Angua. Of course.
I'm a bigot for having an opinion.
9/25/2011 5:59:53 PM
No, you're a bigot because you compared homosexual people to pigs, called them disgusting and abnormal, and claimed they only do the things they do not out of love for each other, but for shock value. Your opinion shows just how bigoted you are, and you were rightfully called out for it. Try reading our comments through completely next time, and try being less of a small-minded cunt.
9/25/2011 7:00:47 PM
You, see, Trollexia, WE believe in intollerance...intollerance of idiots who hate people for stupid, meaningless things that have no bearing on character, like Gender, Ethnicity, Skin Color, Sexual Orientation, Income, etc. See, unlike you, your Royal Trollness....we only hate on haters like murderers, rapists, dictators, selfish jerkoffs, bigots...y'know stuff that actually HURTS people!!!!
Nice try at trolling, Al...It backfired...We're laughing at you...Idiot's are funny...Keep entertaining us, slave! NYAH! LULZ!
9/26/2011 5:38:44 AM
"I'm a bigot for having an opinion."
Ah, so the KKK are right in what they say? Aryan Nations/Brotherhood are right in what they say? Tom Metzger is right in what he says? The 'Real IRA' are right in what they say? The Lord's Resistance Army are right in what they say? Scott Roeder is right in what he says? Anders Breivik is right in what he says?
...just so's we know.
And you're right in what you say, Alexa? How 'right' you are.
And that's the problem.
I have a saying: Opinions are like arses. Everyone has them, but not everyone wants to air theirs in public. They certainly don't want yours shoved in their faces.
Rush Limburger, Mike 'Savage' Weiner, Batscat Shelly, Sarah Failin et al, take note. Over here in the UK, we have a little something called Section 5 of the Public Order Act. A law to crush speech designed to offend public morals & decency; also speech guaranteed to inflame & induce public outrage.
The likes of Fred Phelps & co. wouldn't last five seconds in my country, before they were cuffed & stuffed, and round the police station before their feet would fucking touch. Our police have a Zero Tolerance policy on Hate Speech. Even Rush Limburger and Sarah Failin wouldn't be allowed to have an 'opinion' on our TV. One word: OFCOM. That independent broadcasting overseeing body has the legal power to force balance & neutrality on our media; Limburger - if he appeared on our TV, would be legally forced to be simultaneously left- and right-wing; Failin similarly would be legally forced to be Atheist and fundie wingnut at the same time (thus they'd implode! X3 ).
There's something to be said for we Brits not having a US-style Constitution. With rights come responsibilities - that means thinking before speaking, and the potential repercussions your words have, before you so much as think about such. And if it takes laws to force Political Correctness - even on the unjustifiably bigoted - then there can never be enough legislation, says I; one word: Thoughtcrime. The 'Nanny State' at work. Good.
9/26/2011 8:01:17 AM
I didn't say I hated homosexuals - that's something you lot have invented out of the whole cloth, as was expected.
The bottom line is: You think I'm a cunt because I have the audacity to share my opinion on a behavior for which I don't see the appeal.
If anyone's the trolls, here, it's you.
Edited to add: Randomly bolding words and sentences doesn't add credence to your argument and is only one step above Caps Lock.
9/26/2011 9:36:59 AM
Just Some Guy
@ TROLLexia ~
You gave your opinion. Some of us expressed our opinions on it. So what? Actions, and speech, have consequences. Do you think you're so high and mighty that you get the last word and no one here has the right to react?
Get over yourself, you whiny bitch.
9/26/2011 10:43:17 AM
The bottom line is: You think I'm a cunt because I have the audacity to share my opinion on a behavior for which I don't see the appeal
Sorry, but you're wrong again!
...it just seems to me that the whole thing is just the human equivalent of pigs revelling in slop. A systematic challenge to ourselves as people to see who can debase our species as fragrantly as possible. It's disgusting, it's abnormal, and it's done purely for shock value
You have the nerve to degrade other human beings like that and think you should get away without being called out on it? Your opinion is not just bigoted, it's just plain wrong. You think people have been getting persecuted for years because they chose to, not because they love each other, but to shock others. You claim to know what homosexuals all think and feel. Your arrogance is simply astonishing. The only ones debasing our species are people like you.
9/26/2011 11:40:30 AM
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