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A man whose family died in Brisbane's worst house fire believes the tragedy is a blessing in disguise because it will attract more followers to his church.

Taukinukufili Taufa ran the Church of Baptism with Fire & Holy Spirit out of the Brisbane house which caught fire last month.

The blaze killed Mr Taufa's wife, daughter and three of his grandchildren as well as six other extended family members.

Mr Taufa said God speaks to him directly and he believes in baptism through "heavenly fire".

"God showed me how to do it, baptise people in the fire of the Holy Spirit. This is not bad after all, it's a blessing in disguise," he told Close Up.

Three years ago, Mr Taufa set up the firepurifications.webs.com website where he wrote that "we must be baptised in fire".

The 66-year-old said the fire and the loss of 11 of his family members was not a terrible coincidence.

"It is only a terrible coincidence if you don't know what the difference is ... explain to the people how to find, how to differentiate."

Jeremy Lale and his family had been staying with Mr Taufa for two months and were to move out of the home the day after the blaze - but he lost his wife and five children the night of the fire.

But Mr Taufa said the Lale family "came here at the right time".

"They [were] included in the people that God chose to become his people in heaven," he said.

Mr Taufa said he would build another home on the property and hoped more people would be attracted to his church.

"I know it's going to be a tourist resort in the future because people in the world heard about it. They will try to come and have a look."

Australian police told Close Up they were waiting for results on the cause of the fire but believed it was "just a tragic event".

Taukinukufili Taufa, New Zealand Herald 70 Comments [9/23/2011 2:58:28 AM]
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From the frozen north, Death cometh

The poor man. I can't imagine what his loss feels like. But I'm inclined to wonder if his reaction is a defensive mechanism to the tragedy.
I'd like to know if he was delusional even before the accident.

9/23/2011 3:05:13 AM



This is probably just his coping mechanism.

9/23/2011 3:23:33 AM



I don't know what is your disturbing about this guy. That he doesn't get the meaning of a metaphore(after all, wasn't Jesus baptised with WATER?, and he didn't mean flooding), or the fact that he doesn't understand that arsons happen all the time.

9/23/2011 3:23:39 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

Dying in a fire is good

9/23/2011 3:52:02 AM

aaa

This is pretty much 27 kinds of exploitative.

9/23/2011 3:52:27 AM

meh

Growing up in Brissy, I can say that while I find this repugnant, I could see it as either shock or a coping mechanism. Fire is commonplace where I live, you wake up practicality smelling smoke from a bushfire nearby.
That being said, I am saddened that this man has lost his family. So I'm not inclined to "bash" him for it.

9/23/2011 4:03:23 AM

checkmate

Wait a minute.

He believes in saving/baptizing with fire, then 11 members of his family die in a fire in his house/church? And now he's praising the event?

None of them escaped? 11 people, all dead? Adults, children? They couldn't get out in time? 11 members of a family? One day before they intended to leave?

Excuse me folks, but that sounds light years beyond suspicious.

Poor man? Not likely. Sounds more like crazy murder motivated by religion and jealousy to me. I can't believe the Australian Police aren't pouncing on this one. There's got to be more to it.

9/23/2011 4:15:05 AM

Sadhuman

I am terribly sad for this guy...I still feel angry that he using it to talk about his Church but that could just be a coping mechanism to deal with losing so many family members. If he keeps using it to promote his church I will then bash the crap out of him (verbally that is) or if it turns out he set the fire on purpose.

It does sound like he is very delusional though, god talking to him and thinking people are going to come and see his house like a tourist attraction. Might need some mental services help.

9/23/2011 4:16:22 AM

Cid Highwind

Sounds quite deluded, but if it helps him deal with it, fine... As long as he doesn't start going around burning houses to "baptize" people or something...

9/23/2011 4:18:20 AM

From the frozen north, Death cometh

checkmate,

Well the source is New Zealand Herald, which (at least to my best knowledge) seems to be perfectly truthful in it's news and stories.

Besides stuff like this (whole families dying in a fire) happens almost daily around the world. It's very easy to get trapped, suffocate or pass out in a burning building.

I hope he still has people close to him for support and he gets the mental healthcare he must obviously need after such a catastrophic event.

9/23/2011 4:31:21 AM

xmx

That's just sad. And not really fundie. Poor form in putting this up to tear on this guy.

9/23/2011 4:39:39 AM

clockworkgirl21

Of course this is fundie. Sad as hell, but fundie too.

9/23/2011 4:41:18 AM

Mister Spak

God was punishing you for being a heathen.

9/23/2011 4:48:15 AM

Doperwtje

While it's possible that's it's just an accident & the man is using this story as a coping-mechanism, I can't help but read this thinking him to have started the fire.

9/23/2011 4:59:57 AM

TGRwulf

That's just... depressing.

9/23/2011 5:06:07 AM

LV426

I'm with Checkmate. It is perfectly possible he really is just a victim, but at face value this all sounds a bit off to me.

9/23/2011 5:14:10 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

Checkmate's argument makes me uncomfortable even if it isn't outside the realm of possibility, because I've read about a man being executed for arson whose children actually died in an accidental fire; the so-called experts who worked on his case relied on pseudoscience. Most fires aren't arson.

9/23/2011 5:27:07 AM

Raised by Horses

"A man whose family died in Brisbane's worst house fire believes the tragedy is a blessing in disguise because it will attract more followers to his church."

Why religion needs to go, exhibit #349203459903805382749237.9

9/23/2011 5:38:24 AM



Well, Taufa is either
1) an old man who's coping poorly with the tragic loss of his family
2) a nutcase who actually believes the 'Baptism with Fire' nonsense but gave the Darwin award to his family and Lale's family
3) creating a foundation for an insanity plea when the forensic results come in

Until more information comes to light, I'm reserving judgement; but the timing of the fire in regards to the Lales moving out warrants a bit of suspicion.

9/23/2011 5:38:34 AM

SpukiKitty

YEESH! This nut takes the phrase "Baptism By Fire" LITERALLY! IT REFERS TO THE "HOLY SPIRIT" YOU MEATHEAD! NOW YOUR FAMILY'S DEAD! I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY REVEREND PYRO!!!!

I kinda wonder if this was really a Murder-By-Arson and this guy's covering his tracks with a weird "Fire Ritual Church" story. I read another news story about a couple that beat their kid & blamed it on ghosts. Perhaps this is a similar concept.


9/23/2011 5:40:00 AM

Doubting Thomas

Taukinukufili Taufa ran the Church of Baptism with Fire & Holy Spirit out of the Brisbane house which caught fire last month.

This is the funniest, most ironic statement I've read this month. Someone has just got to post online a picture of the burned-out house with a charred sign reading "Church of Baptism with Fire & Holy Spirit" on the front.

The 66-year-old said the fire and the loss of 11 of his family members was not a terrible coincidence.

Perhaps not if he lit the fire.

Mr Taufa said he would build another home on the property and hoped more people would be attracted to his church.

Don't count on it. Massive deaths in a fire in a "church" which promotes baptism by fire doesn't sound to appealing to most people.

9/23/2011 6:02:50 AM

Janey

Checkmate- the initial theory has been a gas bottle explosion. If that is indeed the case, then you can see how only one person survived.
Of course investigations haven't been finished yet, so he could also just be a wackadoo loon who killed them all.

9/23/2011 6:36:22 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

So, I take it that the 11 family members who were killed were just like all the people that Bible God "allowed" Satan to kill in the Book of Job — just props used in a story, not individuals who had their own self worth, sense of identity and counted for anything. Yay, God.

Yep, this quote is indeed FUNDY AS HELL!

And I'm suspicious of the guy, too.



9/23/2011 6:36:59 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Dunno if this is fundie. The first stage of grief is denial, after all.

9/23/2011 6:37:28 AM

werewolf

I blame Billy Joel.

9/23/2011 6:46:06 AM
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