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A man whose family died in Brisbane's worst house fire believes the tragedy is a blessing in disguise because it will attract more followers to his church.

Taukinukufili Taufa ran the Church of Baptism with Fire & Holy Spirit out of the Brisbane house which caught fire last month.

The blaze killed Mr Taufa's wife, daughter and three of his grandchildren as well as six other extended family members.

Mr Taufa said God speaks to him directly and he believes in baptism through "heavenly fire".

"God showed me how to do it, baptise people in the fire of the Holy Spirit. This is not bad after all, it's a blessing in disguise," he told Close Up.

Three years ago, Mr Taufa set up the firepurifications.webs.com website where he wrote that "we must be baptised in fire".

The 66-year-old said the fire and the loss of 11 of his family members was not a terrible coincidence.

"It is only a terrible coincidence if you don't know what the difference is ... explain to the people how to find, how to differentiate."

Jeremy Lale and his family had been staying with Mr Taufa for two months and were to move out of the home the day after the blaze - but he lost his wife and five children the night of the fire.

But Mr Taufa said the Lale family "came here at the right time".

"They [were] included in the people that God chose to become his people in heaven," he said.

Mr Taufa said he would build another home on the property and hoped more people would be attracted to his church.

"I know it's going to be a tourist resort in the future because people in the world heard about it. They will try to come and have a look."

Australian police told Close Up they were waiting for results on the cause of the fire but believed it was "just a tragic event".

Taukinukufili Taufa, New Zealand Herald 70 Comments [9/23/2011 2:58:28 AM]
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checkmate

Apropos my comments above:

I'm not saying Brother Taufa's guilty of murder, I'm not saying he's innocent.

How could I know? I'm thousands of miles away with no evidence and only the highly unreliable filter of the press at my disposal.

However, this ***sounds*** a bit too fitting to be passed carelessly as unsuspicious without a critical perspective.

Before I call role on a pity party I'd like to hear some more on the real evidence.

Could it be a tragic accident? Sure. But then Reverend Taufa should shut the fuck up.

Wanting to turn the ruins into a tourist attraction is utterly disgusting: "Look here folks, this is where my beloved wife and children were trapped in a blaze and burned alive to a crisp. If you breath carefully you can smell their roasted flesh. Praise the Lord! Get your 'Jesus loves us and baptizes us with fire' t-shirts at the church shop, this week only Aus$9,99."

Barf

9/23/2011 7:10:16 AM

KittyKaboom

* Believes in 'baptism by fire' to the extent that he named his church after it.

* Not upset about the fire, referring to members of his own family and another who died in it as 'receiving a blessing'.

* Directly tells the press fire is 'not a coincidence'.

* Actual statement: "God showed me how to do it, baptise people in the fire of the Holy Spirit."

Read that last statement again, "God showed me how to do it, baptise people in the fire of the Holy Spirit."


I'd be willing to bet my house this man started out as a fanatic but has now graduated to arson. Worse, he thinks he did the victims a favor. The next church will burn down too, and the same locals who are supporting him now will probably be scratching their heads in wonder at the devil's vendetta against this man. Wonder if, for the police, the third time really is the charm?

9/23/2011 7:10:52 AM

KittyKaboom

* Believes in 'baptism by fire' to the extent that he named his church after it.

* Not upset about the fire, referring to members of his own family and another who died in it as 'receiving a blessing'.

* Directly tells the press fire is 'not a coincidence'.

* Actual statement: "God showed me how to do it, baptise people in the fire of the Holy Spirit."

Read that last statement again, "God showed me how to do it, baptise people in the fire of the Holy Spirit."


I'd be willing to bet my house this man started out as a fanatic but has now graduated to arson. Worse, he thinks he did the victims a favor. The next church will burn down too, and the same locals who are supporting him now will probably be scratching their heads in wonder at the devil's vendetta against this man. Wonder if, for the police, the third time really is the charm?

9/23/2011 7:11:24 AM

KittyKaboom

* Believes in 'baptism by fire' to the extent that he named his church after it.

* Not upset about the fire, referring to members of his own family and another who died in it as 'receiving a blessing'.

* Directly tells the press fire is 'not a coincidence'.

* Actual statement: "God showed me how to do it, baptise people in the fire of the Holy Spirit."

Read that last statement again, "God showed me how to do it, baptise people in the fire of the Holy Spirit."


I'd be willing to bet my house this man started out as a fanatic but has now graduated to arson. Worse, he thinks he did the victims a favor. The next church will burn down too, and the same locals who are supporting him now will probably be scratching their heads in wonder at the devil's vendetta against this man. Wonder if, for the police, the third time really is the charm?

9/23/2011 7:12:11 AM

Freethinker

@Werewolf

No you can't blame him. He said it himself :)


All jokes aside, at first it seems like someone who's in the first stage alright: Denial.
But on the other hand, it all sounds too fishy to just hand it off as the apparent tragedy.

Let's postpone judgment and wait for the police investigation.

9/23/2011 7:41:20 AM

FinalArbiterOfMyMorality

"I know it's going to be a tourist resort in the future because people in the world heard about it. They will try to come and have a look."

You are are heartless monster.

Edit:
@werewolf
i c wut u did thar

9/23/2011 7:59:31 AM

N. De Plume

This is probably just his coping mechanism.

Doesn’t make it a healthy coping mechanism.

9/23/2011 8:14:53 AM

nazani14

I'm with checkmate on this. Messers Lane and Taufa offed their families.

9/23/2011 8:33:24 AM

Panz

And this puts your god and your religion in a good light...how again?

9/23/2011 8:34:35 AM

Panz

#1334849

"I'd like to know if he was delusional even before the accident."

Most Kiwis seem to be delusional from birth

9/23/2011 8:35:36 AM



Does irony mean nothing anymore? I'm sorry for his loss but if there is a God this proves he's a dick with a twisted sense of humor.

9/23/2011 9:28:05 AM

Swede

Why would people want to visit a place where so many people died in a fire?
Did the tragedy unhinge Mr Taufa completely, or what?

9/23/2011 9:39:05 AM

freako104

Sounds like a defense mechanism. He sounds like he's in shock and his mind is trying to cope

9/23/2011 9:40:41 AM



Sad these people have to make up fantasy so they don't have to accept tragedy like this.

Those people are dead. It is a tragedy...not a good thing.

When you are dead you die. There is no "afterlife," this is nothing more than a made up fairy-tale believed by the uneducated and brainwashed.

9/23/2011 9:45:06 AM

checkmate

His Website is almost comical:

"Services: Church of Baptism with Fire & Holy Spirit

Lawn Mowing Services
We offer reliable, friendly service with affordable prices. Pensioners Discount.
Lawn Mowing & Whipper Snipper, Garabage removal."

But then again:

"I think of myself as a spiritual murderer. People beleive in things that I quash in my own way. I call myself a 'Smiling Assassin'. I am dangerous, because I surprise people; I am like a half sunk rock to a ship."

Ok. Just how literally does he take that?


9/23/2011 9:49:41 AM

Misterboston

Am I the only one who read into it the implication that he burned is family alive to "baptize" them so they could become God's people?

9/23/2011 9:50:35 AM

breakerslion

"Three years ago, Mr Taufa set up the firepurifications.webs.com website where he wrote that 'we must be baptised in fire'."

But somehow, this does not raise a flag or at least count as a history of mental illness?

9/23/2011 10:18:16 AM

Papabear

"We must be baptized in beautiful, young women," wrote the Papabear. He went on to say that he hoped more beautiful, young women would be attracted to his church. "I know it's going to be a tourist resort in the future because people in the world heard about it. They will try to come and have a look."


9/23/2011 10:20:53 AM

Darlene

I'm with checkmate on this. The guy's website is freaky and if he really didn't "baptize" his own family with fire, this tragedy is the coincidence of a lifetime.

9/23/2011 10:37:20 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Not fundie???

Religion has so warped this man's sense of right and wrong that he thinks it is a good thing that his wife, daughter and grandchildren were burned alive. That is not very far from thinking that flying a plane full of people into a building full of people could be a righteous act. Not very fucking far at all...

9/23/2011 10:45:41 AM

Brendan Rizzo

@ Panz:

1. He's not a Kiwi; he's an Aussie (and judging from his name, most likely an aborigine). The New Zealand Herald just reported the news, but said right there in the article that Rev. Taufa is Australian.

2. What do you have against Kiwis?

9/23/2011 11:02:28 AM

FinalArbiterOfMyMorality

@Brendan Rizzo
2. What do you have against Kiwis?

They're an unappetizing greenish color and taste horrid?

9/23/2011 11:55:03 AM

Canadia

That's a crazy ass way to deal with grief you've got there.

9/23/2011 1:46:41 PM

Osiris

Why is Christian morality indistinguishable for sociopathy?

9/23/2011 1:51:27 PM

Runa

@Brendan

He's Tongan.

9/23/2011 2:46:59 PM
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