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We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc. There is no such thing as a victimless crime and homosexuality is a crime.

Lighthouse, theologyonline.com 59 Comments [9/24/2011 5:06:46 AM]
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Grey Seer

OK. First sentence, excellent and I agree with it. Second sentence, not so much.

Still, halfway reasonable. We've all got to start somewhere, right?

9/24/2011 5:10:36 AM

MM

YOUR FACE is a crime.

9/24/2011 5:20:59 AM

Bollox

No, no, it isn't. Not under my country's laws, anyway.

9/24/2011 5:44:32 AM

meh

What century do you live in???

9/24/2011 5:50:30 AM



But it's OK for you to victimise people who are gay, amirite?

9/24/2011 5:53:59 AM



"We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc."

true.

"There is no such thing as a victimless crime"

false

"homosexuality is a crime."

false

only 1 out of three. don't bother signing up for law school.


9/24/2011 6:10:48 AM

Brendan Rizzo

The first sentence has absolutely nothing to do with the second sentence. Talk about non sequitur.

Lighthouse is right that so-called "victimless crimes" are not crimes at all, but then merely asserts that homosexuality is criminal despite giving no evidence that it harms anybody.

9/24/2011 6:46:10 AM

John

We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc.

Gays don't victimize themselves. They're victimized by the homophobes who are harassing them, their friends, family, neighbors, etc.

9/24/2011 6:54:54 AM

SpukiKitty

Does this idiot think Matthew Shepard beat himself up & tied himself to the fence or what?

9/24/2011 7:01:50 AM



The same could be said about the families of deeply sick people?. If we keep that line of thinking.............

9/24/2011 7:27:44 AM

Mister Spak

"We should not allow people to victimize themselves"

I agree. All fundies should be in reparation therapy until they are cured.

"homosexuality is a crime"

Lawrence vs Texas. You fail the constitution.

9/24/2011 7:29:29 AM

TGRwulf

THe first setence wasn't so bad, but then the second sentence just takes a sharp turn into crazy land.

9/24/2011 7:44:01 AM

Berny

At first I thought you were talking about drug or alcohol abuse, then I read the second sentence and realized you were an idiot.

9/24/2011 7:51:01 AM

moose

"we should not allow people to vitimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them...."
Hm. Looks like I am in the minority on this one. I completely disagree. You have no right to the life of anybody else, regardless of whether you think he/she is victimizing themselves. Is smoking (legal or "illegal") self victimization? Sure it is. Do you have a right to forcefully stop people from smoking? nope, although many governments do indeed victimize people for it. How about eating fatty foods? Or sugar? Are you going to be the food police also? I have always snickered at the absurdity of what punishment to give somebody that attempts suicide. The death penalty perhaps????
Sure, I am all for encouragement, mental health options, etc. But in no way do I want anybody to sit in the gawd chair and forcefully determine how your life will be run.....based on that person's definition of you victimizing yourself.
For that matter, I think you are victimizing yourself, family, and friends by participating in a ridiculous bronze age mythology. Guilting people out of their money. Wasting your life praying to nothing when you could be doing something more productive. But I respect your life and have no desires to force you to live by my particular designs. Just like I dont want to be forced to live my life by your designs.

9/24/2011 8:25:48 AM

The_L

Homosexuality hasn't been a crime in decades. See, the definition of "crime" is "something that is against the law." There are no laws against becoming romantically or sexually involved with a person of the same sex as yourself.

9/24/2011 8:27:16 AM

John-in-Oz

Your first sentance would lead to banning every religion. Your second is equally as false. In the first phrase, as one example, interracial marriage used to be a crime. The second phrase is a factual error as well.

9/24/2011 8:28:14 AM

Thinking Allowed

*source* http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_mental_health.HTML

In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified.

9/24/2011 8:34:03 AM

Extraintrovert

"Don't you see, we're only trying to HELP those poor homosexuals, to save them from themselves. That they don't appreciate being denied rights, oppressed, discriminated against, and brutally murdered is clearly a sign of the extent of their illness."

Fucking fixed.

9/24/2011 8:55:56 AM

TheJebusFire

So, who are they harming?

9/24/2011 9:07:31 AM

Papabear

We shouldn't allow people to be depressed as it really bums out their family and friends.
And sweating. Enough of that. The smell of sweaty people irritates others and causes them to send money on air fresheners and ventilation equipment.
And religious zealots should be banned. Think of all the money I've been forced to spend on ear-plugs.

9/24/2011 9:08:39 AM

Osiris

The victims are homosexuals and the crimes are the ones you guys commit against them.

9/24/2011 9:37:55 AM

BlackMageJ

"We should not allow people to victimize themselves- it takes all the challenge out of it when we victimize them, and that's just not fun"

9/24/2011 10:34:02 AM

WWWWolf

> There is no such thing as a victimless crime and homosexuality is a crime.

You're aware of what crimes are, right? Violations of laws. And who makes laws? ...You know who makes laws, don't you? No? OK, all together now: PEOPLE DO.

And as long as people are involved in legislation, there are such things as unjustly passed, inapplicable, obsolete, ambiguous and pointless laws. And yes, as a result there are crimes that hurt no one. Know what people want to do with such laws? Do you? No? OK, all together now: WE CHANGE THEM.

Homosexuality was a crime at one point, because that was what legislators said it was. Homosexuality is no longer a crime, because more clueful legislators said it was bullshit.

9/24/2011 11:00:47 AM

Sasha

If we didn't allow people to victimize themselves, Rapture Ready would have been shut down years ago.

9/24/2011 11:18:00 AM

Anon-e-moose

"We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc. There is no such thing as a victimless crime and homosexuality is a crime."

Ranting street preachers who get pointed & laughed at. (PROTIP: Quakers. Unitarian Universalists). Blasphemy is a victimless crime, therefore right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity is a crime.

Hellooooooooo...! You down there in that argumental pitfall trap of your own making. Word of advice in your shell-like, pal: the phrase 'when a you're in a hole, stop digging' exist for a reason.

Sado-masochism much, fundies? Want the 'Persecution' to stop? Then make like a Quaker, be hyper-tolerant and STFU.. As in 'zip-it.com' [/Dr. Evil]

It won't kill you.

It puts the duct tape on it's skin. Or else it gets pointed and laughed at again. [/"Silence of the Fundies"] X3

9/24/2011 11:33:12 AM
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