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That’s the reason we oppose the normalization of homosexuality, it’s not because we don’t like homosexuals it’s because we love them. I mean listen to me, if you love people, if you care about people, if they matter to you, their well-being is important to you, do you want to encourage them, do you want to support a lifestyle, do you want to subsidize and reward and provide special legal protections for behavior that’s gonna make them more likely to experience depression, suicidal ideation, homelessness and domestic violence? I mean that is cruelty to me, that’s the mark of somebody that does not care about human beings. Well, we care about human beings. We do not want human beings to get depressed, we don’t want them to commit suicide, we don’t want them to wind up homeless in the street, and we don’t want them to be victims of domestic violence. And we haven’t even talked about HIV-AIDS. That’s why we oppose homosexuality, because we are for homosexuals; we are for homosexuals, and that’s why we are against homosexuality and the normalization of homosexual behavior.



It’s bigotry to be against people that want people to be protected from suicide and depression and killing themselves and winding up on the street. I mean, how much more bigoted can you get than that to try to stop people that want to save folks from a self-destructive lifestyle? To me that is cruel and inhumane.

Bryan Fischer, Right Wing Watch 67 Comments [9/27/2011 2:54:08 AM]
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All those things can happen to heterosexual people. What is your solution?, asexuality?

9/27/2011 3:08:53 AM

Extraintrovert

The level of doublethink some people can jam into their brains astounds me. "We don't hate homosexuals, we just want to deny them rights available to heterosexuals, constantly demonise them, and spread blatant lies unsupported by anything in reality, but we don't hate them". Bloody amazing to watch.

Also:
"do you want to subsidize and reward and provide special legal protections for behavior that’s gonna make them more likely to experience depression, suicidal ideation, homelessness and domestic violence?"

Christianity advocates that all people are hell-bound sinners unless they constantly prostrate themselves before an all-powerful father figure, which wouldn't do well for depression. Christianity advocates sacrificing oneself for aforementioned father figure, and that this life is worthless while the next is all that matters, which wouldn't do well for suicide. Christianity advocates giving away all one's possessions and that not living in poverty makes one more likely to sin, which wouldn't do well for homelessness. And I'm not even going to start on Christianity and domestic abuse.

So, by Fischer's own "logic", Christianity shouldn't be supported. And now I have to scrub my brain after forcing it to descend to his level. I should give it some more pony drawings as a reward for such torture.

9/27/2011 3:16:45 AM

Wyzard

Ah, Bryan "Coo-Coo for Cocoa Puffs" Fischer...

You, sir, are a tool.

"do you want to support a lifestyle, do you want to subsidize and reward and provide special legal protections for behavior that’s gonna make them more likely to experience depression, suicidal ideation, homelessness and domestic violence?"

Citations seriously f**ing needed here.

As Extraintrovert just said - all that can be applied to your death cult. I dare you turn that dazzling intellect of your upon your little social club.

As a gay man, do you know what get's me depressed? This economy; knowing that there are drooling trolls like you who want to strip me of my rights; knowing that there is still this culture of hate against a group of people, based on a book of iron-age desert dwelling goat-herders; knowing that there are parents out there who will disown their child if they are gay because of said fairy-tale book and the cults that spring form it. That's what gets me depressed.

You know what doesn't? Being gay.

I am concerned for you, though, Bryan. these delusions of being persecuted and your deep-set need to persecute others is very disturbing. I guess it is because of your obsession with these Semitic fables. We should pass legislation to protect you from that - it is obviously in your own best interest and no - no thanks are necessary.

9/27/2011 3:33:29 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

Studies have shown that HIV rates are lower in societies that are more tolerant of homosexuals because the people there are more willing to admit to homosexual behavior and get tested*. So, Bryan, your bigotry only serves to increase the rate of HIV/AIDS, and I suspect that there are similar inverse causal relationships between every negative statistic that you listed and tolerance of homosexuality.

*Francis, Andrew M. and Hugo M. Mialon. 2009. "Tolerance and HIV." Journal of Health Economics 29:250-267.

Glick, Sara Nelson, MPH and Matthew R. Golden, MD, MPH. 2010. “Persistence of Racial Differences in Attitudes Toward Homosexuality in the United States.” Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes 55:516-523.

9/27/2011 3:54:28 AM

Bollox

suicidal ideation

WTF does that mean?

9/27/2011 4:07:18 AM

Hertzyscowicz

Come on now, he just doesn't want to be made to oppress people.

9/27/2011 4:10:28 AM

Ken Hates Homophobes

They wouldn't face such a bleak future if your ilk didn't work so hard to make them feel like shit. Find a more productive use of your energy and time or else, as I've said before, their blood will be on your hands.

9/27/2011 4:15:33 AM



Bollox, Suicidal ideation is real. To attribute higher RATES of it to homosexuality is not. Just as his claims of domestic violence. It is real but at higher rates in the homosexual community? Nah.

9/27/2011 4:18:06 AM

WWWWolf

> it’s not because we don’t like homosexuals it’s because we love them.

...let me remind you what a fundie from a couple of quotes back said:

> Did you know you can Love your enemies and shoot them to?

You have a very fundamental misunderstanding of what love means. Or what kind of actions one must take, if they truly want to show compassion.

9/27/2011 4:27:37 AM

Axel

The idea that people do this out of love is true, at least for some of them, and that's why it's really so difficult to get tehm to shut up about it. C.S. Lewis put it best; a tyrant who acts out of greed might some day feel he has enough and relax his cruelty, while one who acts out of conscience will never leave you alone.

Also, the general lack of self-awareness here ("Hey, did anyone ever consider that the higher rate of depression and suicide might be from the fact that society tells them they're evil, evil people and abominations?") is the most painful part of it. It's like jabbing someone with a tattoo in the arm with a stick until it bleeds and then telling them that tattoos are evil things and that they shouldn't have gotten it in the first place.

9/27/2011 4:47:22 AM

Blue_J

A while ago I realized that (from a memetic perspective) this is one of the greatest strengths of evangelicalism/fundamentalism: The ability to combine the "dominating" and "nurturing" impulses into the same idea. In fundamentalism, the best way that you can show love to your enemy, to make a foe into a friend, to serve another human being, is to mentally and psychologically dominate him until he finally gives up and declares "You were right! I was wrong!"

It's kind of insidious, really.

9/27/2011 5:11:42 AM

dionysus

It’s bigotry to be against people that want people to be protected from suicide and depression and killing themselves and winding up on the street.

Why you disingenuous fuck! You people are causing these things to gays and then you claim to protect them?!? This (along with the rest of your post) proves to me that you are no better than an extortionist! "Nice life you've got there, it'd be a shame if it got ruined or ended.".

EDIT: Also, does that mean that since, according to most fundies, Christians are persecuted that we need to protect you from your dangerous lifestyle? I mean, if you want to be consistent that should be your opinion too.

9/27/2011 5:28:03 AM

Mister Spak

" provide special legal protections for behavior that’s gonna make them more likely to experience depression, suicidal ideation, homelessness and domestic violence?"

You have a point, which is why I have long believed that christianity should not have any special legal protection.

9/27/2011 5:30:59 AM



Bryan, here's the thing...

One can choose a self-destructive lifestyle if one wishes. We all have that freedom. Further, if one tells you to mind your own business, you have the responsibility of leaving them alone to their own devices.

This is the fundamental crux of the argument that you cannot seem to comprehend.

9/27/2011 5:38:31 AM

Raised by Horses

You think about homosexuality a lot, don't you, Bryan?

9/27/2011 6:03:13 AM

Pilotess

well that's nice - we don't want you to be gay because we care about you! oh, the many forms of bigottry. I like it better when they come out and run their hate speech. This is really disgusting.
Find a different group to take care off! How about drug users? They really need help and you want to "save folks from a self-destructive lifestyle" - perfect match!

9/27/2011 6:15:16 AM

Doubting Thomas

"We persecute gays because we love them so much."

Wow, you put so much spin on your homosexuality stance that I got so dizzy I want to puke. Or maybe it was just what I read from you that makes me want to puke.

9/27/2011 6:20:31 AM

Lpopman

Feel the xtian love....

We call you a bigot because you _ARE_ a bigot, Bryan.

9/27/2011 6:40:24 AM

David B.

"how much more bigoted can you get than that to try to stop people that want to save folks from a self-destructive lifestyle?"

So all I have to do is decide, unilaterally, that conservatism is a "self-destructive lifestyle" and it would be bigoted of you to try to stop me telling your children how wrong you were, or preventing you marrying, or speaking about your lifestyle, or practising it in public, etc.

So you'd be cool with that, Bryan?

9/27/2011 6:44:15 AM

Table Rock

behavior that’s gonna make them more likely to experience depression, suicidal ideation, homelessness and domestic violence?

I would love to see a cite for this. But since we are speculating, IF this is true, then it's because of assholes like you. You think these things would be more likely with a group of people who receive harassment, discrimination, violence, mockery and hate?

9/27/2011 7:00:17 AM

Zeus Almighty

Replace "homosexuality" with "christianity" and most of this post would make much more sense, and be much more accurate ...

9/27/2011 7:04:07 AM

Shane F

you know all those problems would be solved if you stopped being opposed to it. that only happens because of all the bullying and criticism we endure. Think how you would feel if u were in our place, you would be all of those things because u would be unhappy that u weren't being treated equally. As for what u say about HIV and AIDS, it has long been known that i can happen to any straight person aswell as gays so that argument of urs has no standing, All together, what u have said is a bunch of poppycock bullshit.

9/27/2011 7:19:04 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Patronizing rubbish like this makes me pine for the simple honesty of Fred Phelps

9/27/2011 7:36:59 AM

Shane F

you know all those problems would be solved if you stopped being opposed to it. that only happens because of all the bullying and criticism we endure. Think how you would feel if u were in our place, you would be all of those things because u would be unhappy that u weren't being treated equally. As for what u say about HIV and AIDS, it has long been known that i can happen to any straight person aswell as gays so that argument of urs has no standing, All together, what u have said is a bunch of poppycock bullshit.

9/27/2011 7:50:54 AM

Anon-e-moose

"That’s the reason we oppose the normalization of homosexuality, it’s not because we don’t like homosexuals it’s because we love them."

The Netherlands loves homosexuals, yet...:

(in an episode of "Top Gear", after Richard 'Hamster' Hammond has just reviewed the two-seater three-wheeled 'tilting' vehicle, the Vandenbrink Carver):

Jeremy Clarkson: 'You just know it has to have come from a country where drugs are legal!'

(referring to the Vandenbrink Carver's country of manufacture, the Netherlands; also it's driver between passengers' legs seating configuration; emphasis added):



Jeremy Clarkson: 'This is a country where homosexual marriage is legal! [jokingly] And he's...'

Richard Hammond (in faux-Dutch 'Chrazhy, shexhy' accent) [jokingly]: 'He ish my partner, and alsho my lover!'

X3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carver_(automobile)

9/27/2011 8:29:34 AM
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