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(On Paul Vitz's book Faith of the Fatherless, which claims that atheism is caused by having a bad relationship with one's father in childhood.)

Atheism IS a zero on the spiritual health scale because atheism denies the existence of spirits, and therefore must also conclude that there is no such thing as "spiritual health" at all. So spiritual health, according to atheism, is equal to zero because it is totally non-existent.

Anyone who has taken the time to READ Vitz's actual book knows that he does not make "ridiculous over-generalizations." He specifically points out and addresses the fact that there are exceptions to his theory.

But as long as we're presenting anecdotal evidence, let me have a go: My Dad spent EVERY day with me growing up, as did my Mom. If your dad only spent a measly 3 days a week with you growing up, your childhood was an appalling travesty.

Try reading Vitz's actual book all the way through BEFORE you judge it. How does that sound?

Brainwave, Beliefnet 77 Comments [9/28/2011 3:14:50 AM]
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Um, well no considering this is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.

9/28/2011 3:25:42 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

So spiritual health, according to atheism, is equal to zero because it is totally non-existent.

In other news water is wet. Your relationship with your dad also correlates to zero, zero evidence for the authors contention that is. Anecdotes =/= data.

9/28/2011 3:34:41 AM

Zosimus the Heathen

Well, this is a new one. I thought a bad relationship with one's father in childhood was only supposed to cause homosexuality.

9/28/2011 3:36:07 AM

From the frozen north, Death cometh

"So spiritual health, according to atheism, is equal to zero because it is totally non-existent."

Yes, you are correct. Then again, I don't consider pulling stuff out of your ass as demonstration on anything else than your cv for a fetish film.
I also rank zero on all other imaginary scales that don't actually measure anything tangible.

"Anyone who has taken the time to READ Vitz's actual book knows that he does not make 'ridiculous over-generalizations.'"

To quote Hitchens, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

9/28/2011 3:38:02 AM

Wyzard

does not make "ridiculous over-generalizations."

But as long as we're presenting anecdotal evidence, let me have a go: My Dad spent EVERY day with me growing up, as did my Mom. If your dad only spent a measly 3 days a week with you growing up, your childhood was an appalling travesty.


9/28/2011 3:49:37 AM

Ken's cell hates passwords

I had/have a great relationship with my parents. I'm an atheist because I came to see that religion is a flawed human invention.

9/28/2011 4:07:45 AM

beehummingbird

"atheism is caused by having a bad relationship with one's father in childhood.)"

"If your dad only spent a measly 3 days a week with you growing up, your childhood was an appalling travesty."

Not seeing your father regularly as a child doesn't necessarily mean that you had a bad relationship with him.

In my experience i've always gotten on better with the absent parent when I was growing up. Possibly because they took me out nice places on weekends, and I didn't have put up with then disciplining me all the time.

9/28/2011 4:09:27 AM

Pule Thamex

Indoctrination, home schooling, brainwashing, poor education, desperately clutching at straws, deception, accepting a load of old bollocks from blockheads who have no qualms whatsoever about lying to all and sundry, these are some of the means by which you can raise a child to be a proper right-thinking man. This type of well brought up child will become a model Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Fundamental Cultist etc. and will avoid atheism like the plague.

So well done to all you deluded fathers who set your children on the correct paths to righteousness, spirituality, gullibility and stupidity etc, you have good parenting skills and your children will reap the rewards of all the hard work that you the deranged father have put in. Your son's blossoming idiocy will surely be a source of pride and jolly laughter for many years to come, even when he's a ghost.

9/28/2011 4:27:30 AM

Bollox

And what if one's father is also an atheist? As, indeed, mine is. Would having a bad relationship with him mean you turn out religious?

9/28/2011 4:33:58 AM

whatever

"Atheism IS a zero on the spiritual health scale because atheism denies the existence of spirits, and therefore must also conclude that there is no such thing as "spiritual health" at all. So spiritual health, according to atheism, is equal to zero because it is totally non-existent."

Atheism does not deny the existence of spirits per-se, it is usually used to denote disbelief in the Judaeo-Christian God. But I suspect that Brainwave's opening paragraph will still attract the atheist fundies.

9/28/2011 4:34:46 AM

Etiene

Please stop using the word 'theory' until someone has the time to beat you round the head with a cluebat.

That is all.

9/28/2011 4:45:35 AM

freako104

My father still spends time with my sister and I. He's an atheist himself.

9/28/2011 4:51:36 AM

LDM

"Try reading Vitz's actual book all the way through BEFORE you judge it. How does that sound?"

Aren't you the same people who keep condemning Harry Potter without ever reading it?

9/28/2011 4:58:45 AM

Mister Spak

Fundieism is a zero on the mental health scale because according to fundieism, ther are invisible spooks flying all around hiding your car keys, making your refrigerator break down, turning people into gays, writing screenplays with vampires . . . So reality, according to fundieism, is equal to zero because reality doesn't exist.

9/28/2011 5:01:40 AM

werewolf

Based on your statements, your Dad spent all his time at home, as did your Mom and you all slept in the same bed until you were eighteen.

Shall we continue to this book you mentioned?

9/28/2011 5:26:00 AM



And what about those christian sociopaths whose both parents were abusive as all hell, which ended up this one guy killing women and arranging their organs in jars as mementos?


9/28/2011 5:29:46 AM

Raised by Horses

"So spiritual health, according to atheism, is equal to zero because it is totally non-existent."

Also, there is no Santa Claus. The difference, though, is that when it finally comes time to tell your kids as much, they don't call you a blasphemer and try to force Santa Claus worship into the classroom under the guise of "Intelligent Gift-Receiving".

9/28/2011 5:30:33 AM

Big Jilm

Adam didn't even have a Daddy so why wasn't he an atheist? (And if you count God as his "father figure" they obviously had a terrible relationship.)

9/28/2011 5:43:09 AM



"If your dad only spent a measly 3 days a week with you growing up, your childhood was an appalling travesty."

That would put the majority of kids, whose fathers have to work outside the home at least five days a week for a living, in the childhood-of-appalling-travesty category, not to mention the millions of kids in single parent homes. Yet somehow, the majority of the population holds religious belief of one denomination or another. I guess that shoots Vitz's (and your) stupid theory all to hell, doesn't it?

9/28/2011 5:49:16 AM

WWWWolf

> Atheism IS a zero on the spiritual health scale because atheism denies the existence of spirits, and therefore must also conclude that there is no such thing as "spiritual health" at all. So spiritual health, according to atheism, is equal to zero because it is totally non-existent.

Assume, for the sake of argument, that you're a Christian who has never heard of this "spiritual health" theory. If someone told you everyone has "spiritual health", just like mental and physical health, would you agree on it because it's already validated by the doctrines of your faith, or because the guy's babblings seemed coherent enough to fit to your religious preconceptions, and that just happened to solidify in your mind at that instant?

I'm a computer guy, so I definitely know that people have an incredible ability to believe things that have enough buzzwords in them. Feed enough buzzwords to your boss, and he's totally convinced that this technology is what your company has always needed.

9/28/2011 5:58:45 AM

LAchlan

What if your father's an atheist?

9/28/2011 6:00:26 AM



Did uh, your parents not work?

9/28/2011 6:00:39 AM

Doubting Thomas

So one account of a Christian father raising a child to be a Christian adult means that all atheists had bad fathers. Gotcha. Run along and play in traffic now.

9/28/2011 6:04:23 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

Atheism is not a diagnosis. If it was, it would be an epidemic.

Not believing in supernatural divinities = not believing in emotional well-being is a silly argument.

9/28/2011 6:10:33 AM

Zeus Almighty

Of me and my two brothers, one (the oldest) is a fundie nutbar christianist, one is flat-out atheist and the third (me) is agnostic.
Guess what? We all had the same father, numbnuts.

9/28/2011 6:40:41 AM
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