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A handful of advocates, armed with nothing more than their keyboards, have put many of the country’s largest retailers, including Apple, Microsoft, Netflix and Wal-Mart, on the spot over their indirect and, until recently, unnoticed roles in funneling money to Christian groups that are vocal in opposing homosexuality.

The advocates are demanding that the retailers end their association with an Internet marketer that gets a commission from the retailers for each online customer it gives them. It is a routine arrangement on hundreds of e-commerce sites, but with a twist here: a share of the commission that retailers pay is donated to a Christian charity of the buyer’s choice, from a list that includes prominent conservative evangelical groups like the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family.
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On one side are angry gay-rights advocates and bloggers, wielding the club of the gay community’s purchasing power.

On the other side are conservative Christian groups that say they are being attacked for their legitimate biblical views of sex and marriage, as well as a Web marketing firm that feels trampled for providing consumers with free choice.

Caught in the middle are companies, including such giants as Macy’s, Expedia and Delta Air Lines, which have the dual aims of avoiding politics but not offending any consumers. In this case, they have been pressured to make a choice that may involve little money either way but that could offend large blocs of consumers.

“This is economic terrorism,” said Mike Huckabee, the former pastor, governor and presidential contender, who is a paid CGBG consultant. “To try to destroy a business because you don’t like some of the customers is, to me, unbelievably un-American,” he said in an interview.

Mike Huckabee, New York Times 71 Comments [9/29/2011 5:28:17 AM]
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Greater Good

An innocent bystander just collapsed from irony overdose, Mr Huckabee. Poor soul accidentally glanced at my screen and saw your remark without building up the proper tolerance. I would expect a call from his lawyer any day now.

9/29/2011 9:49:48 AM

AntiCommunist

I don't see the problem. Those conservative activist groups are right to condemn homosexualtiy. It's wrong, no matter how you look at it. The religious argument has been done to death, but even from an Evolutionist point of view, homosexuality is an undesired atribute. Otherwise, homosexuals would be able to have children on their own.

9/29/2011 9:54:09 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Ted Stryker

"Interesting to see how Christians react when they're the target of a boycott. I guess the hand's on the other foot now, huh Huckabee?"

Even more interesting when one considers that said Christians boycotting those businesses are potential voters eh, Mike Fuckabee? Like I say...:



...enjoy your paradox, pal. >:D

9/29/2011 9:59:15 AM

Greater Good

@ Anticommunist

Even from an evolutionary, purely selfish viewpoint, you should support homosexuality. Gay people pairing up = less competition for your genes. Gay people hiding who they are and pairing up with the opposite sex = "gay genes" being passed on.

So you're either lying, a troll, or an idiot. Choose carefully.

9/29/2011 10:05:02 AM

Skyknight

AntiCommunist: "Evolutionary disadvantage" does not auto-translate into "evil thing" (the logical fallacy is called "appeal to nature" for a reason). Besides which, I've heard one or two cases of identical twins where one was straight, the other gay. I'd not be surprised if epigenetics, rather than just raw genetic material, plays a role in sexual preference. The point is, homosexuality doesn't necessarily mean defective genes (even if the definitions of "defective" and "viable" can shift over time); it could just mean a genetic sexuality range.

9/29/2011 10:08:01 AM

Mister Spak

@Anti-communist:

You managed to fail conservatism, homosexuality and biology simultaneously.

And, did you know communists also outlawed homosexuality?

Interesting bedfellow you have.


9/29/2011 10:08:37 AM

DinosaurRidinJeebus

"legitimate biblical view"

Everything in the bible is made up how can that be "legitimate?"

And Mr. Huckabee...some of us consider it much more "un-american" to donate money to groups that support religion (the number 1 cause of all things that are terrible) and hate than it is to boycott said donaters.

Seriously. What is more "american" than choosing not to go to a store you don't agree with? I bet if this was talking about conservatards boycotting a company that donated money to gays Huckabee would be all for that shit.

9/29/2011 10:17:32 AM

rikalous

@anti-Communist: Homosexuals can have children on their own. One of my friends in high school was born from artificial insemination. Even if they couldn't, it wouldn't matter. Evolution has the same relation to morality as gravity does.

@DinosaurRidinJeebus: Religion's the number one cause of all things that are terrible? What was the religious cause of the Rwanda genocide? Where was religion in Stalin's despotism? Man, that Reverend MLK must have been a real bastard, huh?

9/29/2011 10:34:28 AM

JSS

Surely you feel the same way about all the AFA boycotts, don't you Mr. Huckabee?

9/29/2011 10:54:45 AM

JonnyTruant

And you said the same thing, Mr. Huckabee, when Christian groups boycotted Disney started giving partner benefits?

9/29/2011 10:56:16 AM

Skatepunk

Boycotting is NOT terrorism. Terrorism is the use of violence or fear for political gain.

@ Joe Mama.

Damn... do they really have that much time on their hands? Eventually, they will cut themselves off of society completely.

9/29/2011 10:59:07 AM

Skyknight

Rikalous: "Number 1", he said, not "sole".

9/29/2011 11:04:13 AM

Berny

And how often have Christians threatened to boycott businesses that don't discriminate against gays?
The shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?
By the way, there is nothing "legitimate" about the biblical views of sex and marriage.

9/29/2011 11:46:35 AM

Auratwilight

This is bullshit. If these businesses wanted to avoid politics and not offend anyone, they would've never given money to anti-homosexuality groups in the fucking first place.

9/29/2011 11:51:05 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

“This is economic terrorism,” said Mike Huckabee, the former pastor, governor and presidential contender, who is a paid CGBG consultant. “To try to destroy a business because you don’t like some of the customers is, to me, unbelievably un-American,” he said in an interview.



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I wonder how many headshops, adult stores and such Huckabee would gladly shut down without a thought of the customers..and then claim it is patriotic to do so?

9/29/2011 12:00:58 PM

TheJebusFire

The AFA used to air anti-Disney propaganda on their radio station telling christians to boycott Disney's movies because of cartoon violence.

A while back French McDonalds aired a pro-gay commercial and Christian orginizations protested resturants here in America.

Now, how is this any different?

9/29/2011 12:14:32 PM

cdcdrr

Oh boohoohoo. Companies being forced to choose between their partners and sponsors or their customers. Did it ever occur to you how public scrutiny, criticism and transparancy can keep companies on the moral side of the line? This sort of 'terrorism' has been done succesfully before with companies regarding slave labour, pollution and animal cruelty. One could argue gay rights are not as serious as those, but it's moot anyway. The customer will be the judge of that. And customers deserve to know the truth about who they buy from.

9/29/2011 12:31:12 PM

TheJebusFire

AntiCommunist

I don't see the problem. Those conservative activist groups are right to condemn homosexualtiy. It's wrong, no matter how you look at it. The religious argument has been done to death, but even from an Evolutionist point of view, homosexuality is an undesired atribute. Otherwise, homosexuals would be able to have children on their own.


From an evolutionary viewpoint, homosexual animals do have an advantage. Their inability to produce offspring keeps their pack overpopulating and in some speices, they can serve as hunters or watch guards.

9/29/2011 12:49:36 PM

John

even from an Evolutionist point of view, homosexuality is an undesired atribute.

Not necessarily. It's possible for a genetic trait to have both positive and negative effects. If the positive effects outweigh the negative, the trait will be maintained. The genetic trait that causes sickle cell anemia is an example. Where malaria is endemic, the immunity it gives outweighs the occasional sickle-cell death and the trait is common. Where there is no malaria, it's rare because it kills more than it helps. No one knows yet what genetic or in utero cause male homosexuality might have, but the fact that it appears to have a heredity or in utero component in the maternal line suggests it may be an unwanted (from evolution's point of view) sex-linked side-effect of something that has a net benefit to the survival of the species through benefit to females.

9/29/2011 1:14:54 PM

freako104

Terrorism is the threat or use of violence to sway a people or nation. Where is the violence they are using?

9/29/2011 1:36:28 PM

N. De Plume

Originally posted by Zeus Almihtt

The reason that hand's invsible is that it's shoved so far up our asses it's tickling our tonsils.

Funny. I thought it was well past our tonsils by now.

9/29/2011 1:41:07 PM



I bet you said that about The Montgomery Bus Boycott as well didn't you Mike?

9/29/2011 2:35:35 PM

Old Viking

"Help, help, we is being terrorized."

9/29/2011 3:04:09 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Caught in the middle are companies, including such giants as Macy’s, Expedia and Delta Air Lines, which have the dual aims of avoiding politics but not offending any consumers.

Yeah, well certain consumers consider it offensive that certain other consumers not be treated offensively, so that plan's just fucked from the start.

9/29/2011 3:07:05 PM

checkmate

Caught in the middle are companies, including such giants as ..., which have the dual aims of avoiding politics but not offending any consumers. In this case, they have been pressured to make a choice that may involve little money either way but that could offend large blocs of consumers.

Interesting point of view.

Christians are usually all big on "witnessing" and standing up openly and firmly for one's actions. A good christian is supposed to get off the fence.

Here, staying stuck on the fence, cloaking one's motives, and being more or less hypocritically complacent in the eye of profit is being defended as the right way to go.

Christians can really bend over backwards and kiss the ground behind them when is serves them. Interesting.

9/29/2011 3:23:25 PM
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