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A handful of advocates, armed with nothing more than their keyboards, have put many of the country’s largest retailers, including Apple, Microsoft, Netflix and Wal-Mart, on the spot over their indirect and, until recently, unnoticed roles in funneling money to Christian groups that are vocal in opposing homosexuality.

The advocates are demanding that the retailers end their association with an Internet marketer that gets a commission from the retailers for each online customer it gives them. It is a routine arrangement on hundreds of e-commerce sites, but with a twist here: a share of the commission that retailers pay is donated to a Christian charity of the buyer’s choice, from a list that includes prominent conservative evangelical groups like the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family.
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On one side are angry gay-rights advocates and bloggers, wielding the club of the gay community’s purchasing power.

On the other side are conservative Christian groups that say they are being attacked for their legitimate biblical views of sex and marriage, as well as a Web marketing firm that feels trampled for providing consumers with free choice.

Caught in the middle are companies, including such giants as Macy’s, Expedia and Delta Air Lines, which have the dual aims of avoiding politics but not offending any consumers. In this case, they have been pressured to make a choice that may involve little money either way but that could offend large blocs of consumers.

“This is economic terrorism,” said Mike Huckabee, the former pastor, governor and presidential contender, who is a paid CGBG consultant. “To try to destroy a business because you don’t like some of the customers is, to me, unbelievably un-American,” he said in an interview.

Mike Huckabee, New York Times 71 Comments [9/29/2011 5:28:17 AM]
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Headache

Who cares about Mike Fuck-a-bee?

9/29/2011 5:47:52 PM

Alencon

How is this any different than Christian groups who demand firms stop supporting gay rights and threaten boycotts if they don't?

Am I missing something here?

9/29/2011 5:48:52 PM

Shax

@AntiCommunist: Being able to have kids of your own isn't the end-all be-all of biology. Google "Kin Selection."

9/29/2011 11:06:13 PM

Felis >:3

The gay club, fnarr fnarr.

Seriously, Huckabee is a cnut;

9/30/2011 2:09:50 AM

Tempus

Waitatic--I thought you Self-Regulating Free Market Conservative yaboos approved of not giving companies who violate your sense of ethics your business. You know, voting with your wallet? Like the people you're calling "economics terrorists?"

I get it though--it's perfectly okay for Christian conservatives to take their business elsewhere when some business hires those dirty homos and treats them like (le gasp!) real human beings, but when someone does the same thing right back at them, THAT'S being an economic terrorist.

9/30/2011 2:39:42 AM

SSJPunk

A boycott is now "economic terrorism"?

9/30/2011 2:50:50 AM



legitimate biblical views

Too bad the religious folk fail to realize and understand time and time again that their Biblical views are legitimate only in their religion itself.

9/30/2011 5:00:47 AM

Joe Mama

@ Skatepunk

Damn... do they really have that much time on their hands?

Apparently so. I personally would hate to have to consult my list of companies to not buy from on a daily basis or have to keep checking the AFA website to see if the boycott of Kraft Foods was still on to know if I could buy a box of Mac 'n Cheese. I guess some people like being sheep and being told what to do.

I personally think it would be great if all right-thinking individuals would send an email to the companies being boycotted by the AFA saying that we'll continue to buy from them and to keep up the good work promoting tolerance or promoting free speech/press.

9/30/2011 9:03:23 AM

Anon-e-moose

In "GQ" magazine a month or so ago, there was an article about the Teabaggers in the GOP. Even an insider in the mainstream Republican Party said that the likes of Batscat Shelly were an embarrassment to them.

Just one more loop added to the perpetual P.R. traincrash of the Religious Right, Teabagger, Neocunt Repubicans. Via their own lack of political foresight (Ron Paul, re. healthcare in that CNN debate, anyone?) and general stupidity, do you keep committing political & verbal seppuku, Mike Fuckabee et al. And we Atheists, Liberals, Left-wingers etc don't have to lift a finger. Dance, our puppets, dance.

Just keep it up, Repubicans. Then Obama's 2nd term is on that gold platter for the taking. PROTIP: Obama's approval rating is 25-30% right now. The Repubicans' only credible candidate, Mitt Romney's rating: 20%. There's still over a year to go to the elections. Three words, Repubicans: Moderates. Swing Voters.

Not everyone's a Teabagger, you know. Remember why Obama was elected.

@AntiCommunist

"I don't see the problem. Those conservative activist groups are right to condemn homosexualtiy. It's wrong, no matter how you look at it. The religious argument has been done to death, but even from an Evolutionist point of view, homosexuality is an undesired atribute. Otherwise, homosexuals would be able to have children on their own."

Elton John. David Furnish. Zachary Jackson Levon Furnish-John. Two words: surrogate mother:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12084650

I love the smell of arguments blasted out of the space-time continuum in the morning. Smells like... victory.

...what, no snappy comebacks? No arguing your case, in an intellectually persuasive way using cold, solid facts, that is utterly indestructible, to try and make us come to your way of thinking? Awwww, you gutless, bollockless, educationally & intellectually inferior right-wing Fundamentalist Christians are no fun! (*grump*)

Drive-by troll, much? Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life, I'm looking at you.

9/30/2011 9:16:20 AM



“To try to destroy a business because you don’t like some of the customers is, to me, unbelievably un-American,” he said in an interview.

Isn't that the Free Market? If you don't like a company or its policies, you do not do business with them. What could be MORE American than that, Gov. Huchabee? If these companies want, couldn't they broaden their choices of charities? Well, yes they could. If they choose NOT to do that, and because of their policies they go out of business, it is Free Market. Nothing more American than that!

9/30/2011 1:07:54 PM

Canama

"On the other side are conservative Christian groups that say they are being attacked for their legitimate biblical views of sex and marriage, as well as a Web marketing firm that feels trampled for providing consumers with free choice."

When your views are causing discrimination they are not legitimate at all.

9/30/2011 3:25:41 PM

Bob

Am I misinterpreting this?

The article makes it sound like Huckabee was referring to the marketing company, which was simply redirecting traffic from the conservative Christian groups to the big retailers and getting paid a commission, part of which went back to the Christian groups.

Then, the advocates would basically be destroying a marketing company for providing a service that just happened to involve the Christian groups, which I find rather unfair. I think "terrorism" was too strong a word to use here, but still.

9/30/2011 11:41:38 PM



wellcome to the world you've been making till recently.

10/1/2011 8:55:54 AM

Brianisha

Well this proves christianity is a buisness, and that corporations are without a doubt evil.

10/1/2011 12:22:22 PM

Brianisha

@ raised by horses Id rather believe LOTR is history than the bible, that sounds more interesting anyways.

10/1/2011 12:23:37 PM

I Read About The Afterlife

I thought boycotts were actually pretty American.

10/1/2011 5:12:13 PM

Hive

From Joe Mama's Wikipedia link:

The AFA has boycotted multiple U.S. companies for various reasons, most often relating to Christmas controversies, pornography, support of pro-choice activism, support of violence or sexual content in entertainment, and support of LGBT activism, including same-sex partner employee benefits.

Assuming the AFA is made up mostly of Republicans, who seem to think that businesses can't do anything wrong...what is their basis for boycotting any? They worship companies...shouldn't, therefore, anything a company does be right by definition? Including giving benefits to same-sex partners. But I guess hate is bigger than anything else.

10/2/2011 7:12:03 PM

Anon

So THAT's where they keep getting their money from. I knew that Domino's and Chik-Fil-A did this, but Apple? Apple even removed an ex-gay app from the app store. They're based in California!

10/4/2011 3:03:56 PM

Mat

They're not customers, you fat slob. They're the donation recipients - the retailers aren't selling to them, they're giving money to them.

10/9/2011 3:05:02 AM



<i>DinosaurRidinJeebus: Religion's the number one cause of all things that are terrible? What was the religious cause of the Rwanda genocide? Where was religion in Stalin's despotism? Man, that Reverend MLK must have been a real bastard, huh?</i>

Hello, stupid. I'll take them one by one.

Rwanda: If you knew the history of Rwanda, you'd know that one of the sources of strife between Hutu and Tutsi was that the latter had political power, while the Hutu were believed to have supernatural powers. A common charge against Hutus was using magic powers to harm a Tutsi.

BTW, care to explain why so many RELIGIOUS leaders in Rwanda were convicted for luring Tutsis into churches and burning them or shooting them? You do know that happened--right?

---Continued in next post---

10/26/2011 7:11:36 AM



STALIN (honestly--how repulsively dishonest do you have to be to bring him up...). Stalin was raised Russian Orthodox, and even attended their seminary. It had a profound effect on how he viewed the world--and dealt with it. Since you're obviously appallingly stupid, I suppose I must explain to you that the Russian Orthodox church was (and is) highly autocratic, controlling, judgmental and obsessed with loyalty. Gee...Now why would someone devout enough in such a faith turn out with all those traits, even if he nominally stopped believing in the faith? Contrary to hysterical American christarded claims, Stalin wasn't 100% opposed to one particular church--guess which one. Go ahead, guess!

The Moscow Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox church openly colluded with Stalin in numerous ways. One of the most egregious was having the church ratting out their parishioners or other assorted enemies for him to purge. In exchange, Stalin forced other churches (particularly the Greek Catholic church) to join with the Russian Orthodox church, so of course the Russian Orthodox church played along. Stalin intentionally tried to make his childhood religion the Soviet "Vatican". Do we tell you what happened when the leader of the Russian Orthodox church died in 1944--under Stalin's reign? No? Well, I'll tell you: His life was celebrated on front pages across the Soviet Union. You know all that--right?

MLK: Like the ahistorical illiterate you are, you bring up MLK, but you forget that the people who were opposed to him were religious shit stains who both legislated and continued to uphold the policies he was trying to change. And they did that because their genocidal bigot manual told them that owning slaves was okay, and that the sons of Ham weren't worthy, and so on. You do know that--right?

Really, when you're so phenomenally ignorant of history, religion and the history of religion, sit down and shut up.

10/26/2011 7:12:09 AM
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