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You clearly do not understand that the Constitution as the social contract that it is. Muslims have NO INTENTION of ever respecting your property rights, infidel. To them, you are not a fellow citizen deserving respect for your rights, but are instead lower than dirt. They are USING your respect for the Constitution against you, and laughing up their sleeves at what they intend to do to civic respect for your unalienable rights once they wield power. They are not participants in that social contract and are therefore undeserving of its protections. Upon reading the Quran, Jefferson understood that, and considered Islam a mortal threat to this nation should it ever be established here.

Carry_Okie, Free Republic 59 Comments [9/30/2011 3:55:49 AM]
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Anon-e-moose

"You clearly do not understand that the Constitution as the social contract that it is. Muslims have NO INTENTION of ever respecting your property rights, infidel."

So what was Iraq all about, then? [/Spartan Laconic Wit]

"To them, you are not a fellow citizen deserving respect for your rights, but are instead lower than dirt."

So you're forfeiting your right - in perpetuity - to persecute LGBT people, Liberals, Atheists, women exerting their individual rights to decide what to do with their own bodies etc; nay, agreeing to no longer have the right to so much as have an opinion about such issues & the people involved, is that what you're saying...?

"They are USING your respect for the Constitution against you, and laughing up their sleeves at what they intend to do to civic respect for your unalienable rights once they wield power."

So you're forfeiting your right - in perpetuity - to claim that America is a 'Christian' country, and acknowledging that the US is in fact, an Atheist one (PROTIP: remember why those Pilgrim Fathers left England - to escape religious persecution), is that what you're saying? One word: Dominionism.

"They are not participants in that social contract and are therefore undeserving of its protections."

Ahem (emphasis added):

'For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.'

-George Washington

Where can I get that particular brand of mirror polish you're using, little Freeper?

"Upon reading the Quran, Jefferson understood that, and considered Islam a mortal threat to this nation should it ever be established here."

And upon reading the Bible, he understood & considered Christianity a mortal threat to your nation too, should it ever be established there (emphasis added):

'There is more need for lighthouses in our country than churches.'

'But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.'

'Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.'

'I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.'

-Thomas Jefferson

I'm not even American, yet I learned enough about your own history at school to know about such things. I'm British. Remember those Pilgrim Fathers, why they left my country, and why the basis of their actions inspired Thomas Jefferson to draft the Constitution the way he did; 'Separation of Church and State', and all that jazz.

We Brits actually have a state religion. It's the basis of modern Protestant Christianity, no less. Three words: Church of England.

Enjoy your paradox, little Freeper.

There's a couple of other countries I can name that have state religions too: Iran. Saudi Arabia.

I love the smell of arguments blasted out of the space-time continuum in the morning. Smells like... victory.

@Raised by Horses

"So I take it that the whole ramble about being "Christians first, Americans second" was just a big joke, right?"

'I pledge allegiance to the Christian Flag...'

-'Hoemskuled' kids, "Jesus Camp"

...nope, I wasn't laughing, neither. The same way that the films "Saw" & "Hostel" are to "Blazing Saddles" & "Airplane".

I wonder if those scenes with those fundie kids were scripted by Ricky Gervais? The only way he'd make me laugh, is if he played Russian Roulette with a .50 cal. Desert Eagle (PROTIP: At the Diana Memorial gig several years ago, Gervais did a stand-up routine. He died ten thousand deaths on that stage. Proof that "The Office" is a prime example of 'Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome' - and I was the little boy saying 'He's naked!').

9/30/2011 7:53:52 AM

Panz

So you're saying being as low down and dirty as them is the way to go?

9/30/2011 8:07:58 AM

Joe Mama

George Orwell is rolling over in his grave as we speak. The line, "All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others" comes to mind. The fact that you think it's OK to take away the rights of Muslims because you're afraid they might take away yours is just sickening. This is the type of fascism that the Constitution was designed to prevent.

And you know what, Carry? Those inalienable rights guaranteed in the Constitution are also granted to foreigners visiting our country, too, no matter what religion they practice. Even illegal aliens, too! Chew on that for a while.

9/30/2011 8:11:30 AM

werewolf

Who is this Jefferson that you're quoting and what is this constitution that you're talking about?

9/30/2011 8:44:51 AM

Ormspryde

No, you've got it all wrong, that's the way christians feel about the rest of the population! Nice blame shifting, though. :P

9/30/2011 9:34:25 AM

DinosaurRidinJeebus

I agree with Percy. I honestly see your religion as more of a threat to me on a day to day basis. Because of the sheer amount of bigotry of you people...a muslim would never, ever come into power. So I never have to worry about a muslim theocracy. A christian theocracy, on the other hand, is a much greater possibility.

There are xtians violating my constitutional rights on a day to day basis with prayers in the senate, under god in pledge of allegiance/money, and religious laws. Muslims, have not done this.

You are a brainwashed moron because you can't see that the bible is just as bad as the quaran. You are nothing more than a parrot... squawking about things you are ignorant about.

9/30/2011 10:13:05 AM

Berny

In what alternate universe did Jefferson consider Islam a mortal threat to the United States because it isn't this one.

9/30/2011 10:19:58 AM

Thinking Allowed

So when the christians voted in Proposition 8 in California, they weren't violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments?

9/30/2011 10:39:58 AM

dionysus

Jefferson was an atheist and was very critical of religion in general (that means Christianity too). He was super-tolerant (of those that didn't flaunt their religion and try to force it on people anyway) and he even rewrote the Bible to take out all of the supernatural crap. What I'm trying to say is that he was nothing like you and would not support your opinions (though he'd protect your right to express them). Also, you are simply cherry picking. I know that's how things roll in Fundieland but it's unacceptable in Realityland.

9/30/2011 10:58:41 AM

WWWWolf

> They are not participants in that social contract and are therefore undeserving of its protections.

No. Fundamental human rights apply to everyone, even those who disagree with their necessity. The moment you toss them aside for whatever reason, you join your enemy's ranks.

Democracies are not built with temporary fits of fascism, because there's a good chance it won't stay temporary. People who experiment with evil often find that it's a such a good solution to the problems - and still keep saying they're entirely pure-hearted.

> Upon reading the Quran, Jefferson understood that,

And what did Jefferson read, and how it is reflected in the Constitution? Surah and verse. And relevant section of the law.

I'm not just questioning your ability to read the US constitution. I'm also questioning your knowledge of Islam and what Jefferson might have known about it.

9/30/2011 12:33:26 PM

The_L

"Upon reading the Quran, Jefferson understood that, and considered Islam a mortal threat to this nation should it ever be established here."

Which is why he did nothing to abolish the Treaty of Tripoli.

9/30/2011 12:47:25 PM

Swede

I have several Muslim friends who were born in Sweden. To them, the Swedish Constitution is the Main Law. They all have the intention to live their life in Sweden and thus respect Swedish Law, as much as I do, who was also born in Sweden. (I can trace at least four generations of Swedes, on both my mother's and my father's sides, and about eight generations on my mother's side (as they have done quite a bit of genealogy studies.))

My mother-in-law was not born in Sweden, but in Soviet-run Estonia, 70 years ago. She does remember fleeing across the Baltic Sea in a small boat, some 60-odd years ago. She's more or less Christian, a Russian Orthodox, as far as I know. More Christian than I am, at least.

Whom would you'd rather have as a friend, Carry_Okie? Me or my mother-in-law? Perhaps we are both just "Commie bastards" to you. Remember then that Mother-in-law fled from commies, and they intended to end up in the US of A, but somehow they didn't make it farther than Sweden. Other relatives made it all the way "over there".

9/30/2011 12:52:40 PM

Misterboston

What does "laughing up their sleeves," mean?

9/30/2011 1:17:51 PM

Old Viking

Jefferson said no such thing.

9/30/2011 1:42:21 PM

gaijinlaw

Are you talking about George Jefferson? Yeah, he did exhibit a lot of prejudices, but by the end of each episode he was always shown to be wildly off the mark in his bigotry and frequently made to look foolish.

9/30/2011 2:22:52 PM

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

3 images that make your arguments bullshit:

The First Ammendment


The Treaty of Tripoli


And the U.S. Constitution itself

9/30/2011 2:43:23 PM

checkmate

they intend to do to civic respect for your unalienable rights once they wield power.

It's getting crowded under American beds.

First it was abolitionists, then suffragettes, then catholics, then communists, and now it's muslims, all hiding under our beds ready to take over the nation at the drop of a hat.

I must burn off a minimum of 1000 calories a week just from bending down and looking under my bed at night to feel safe.

Will it never stop?

9/30/2011 2:47:17 PM

John

Ah, yes. Here it is:

"We those People of the United States who agree to participate in our social contract, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Source: The US Constitution, Right Wing Lunatic Version

9/30/2011 3:48:54 PM

Brendan Rizzo

Shiny, shiny mirror. Also, putting words in Jefferson's mouth is spectacularly uncool.

9/30/2011 4:33:06 PM

Alencon

Do you suppose any of these idiots have ever actually READ the Constitution?

9/30/2011 5:17:37 PM

Berry Caluroso

Wasn't Jefferson kind of a big fan of Islam? Or am I getting that confused with some other early president?

9/30/2011 5:25:40 PM

TheJebusFire

[Jefferson understood that, and considered Islam a mortal threat to this nation should it ever be established here.]

Jefferson also believed in owning slaves and would buy and sell slaves as young as 12 years old. What's your fucking point?

9/30/2011 7:30:55 PM

GuesssWho

Freedom of religion, have you heard of it?

9/30/2011 11:11:41 PM

Think or GTFO

I thought one factor in the founding of the USA was that people were sick of all the religious oppression in Europe. And that religion was... Christianity.

9/30/2011 11:59:08 PM

Giveitaday

You clearly do not understand that the Constitution as the social contract that it is.

You clearly do not understand the constitution at all, you might want to try reading it first before making declarations about who it does and does not apply to.

Muslims have NO INTENTION of ever respecting your property rights, infidel. To them, you are not a fellow citizen deserving respect for your rights, but are instead lower than dirt.

First, you know this how?

Second, what do you have to say about the many muslims who have fought and died in defense of the very rights you claim they spit on.

Third, You simply cannot truthfully speak in terms "muslims this" or "christians that" because these religions are composed of millions of individuals, each of whom hods their own opinion about both religious and civic matters.

And finally, do you really expect anyone with an unbiased opinion to accept, on your say so alone, that most if not all members of a religion every bit as fractured and sectarian as your own, and with no central authority or heirarchy whatsoever share a single civic outlook or political position?


They are USING your respect for the Constitution against you, and laughing up their sleeves at what they intend to do to civic respect for your unalienable rights once they wield power

And at 0.6 - 0.8% of the US population they are not likely to wield power anytime in the forseeable future, especially in light of the fact that "non-religious" is the fastest growing segment of the population .

They are not participants in that social contract and are therefore undeserving of its protections.

You've never even read the US constitution, have you? If you had then you would know that the constitutional protections are explicitl ymeant to apply to everyone without exception.

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