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Just because you never personally met someone doesn't mean you shouldn't wish AIDS on them if what they have done is evil. Look at all the people that JTF gives the "yimach shmo" curse to. We are not intimately familiar with all of these people but we know they are evil--in this case they are supporting becoming intimately familiar anally with the wrong people. The policy makers who had a hand in embracing queer mongers (which includes removing the ban on sodomy that used to be in the UCMJ) are endorsing a PRACTICE that is forbidden to both Jews and Gentiles. In this case, they have done something bad to me, because they are corrupting my society and the defenders of it. Let's go back to basics for just a moment:

Leviticus 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

As you can see, this position is straight out of the Torah, so there is nothing "fringe" about it. It's simply the truth. How do you think JTF or the Jewish people as a whole should accept or reject any principle or make any moral judgment whatsoever? The correct answer is if it is in line with G-d's will. And "evil" includes more practices than just wanting to destroy Israel, and homosexual relations is clearly one of them. Now maybe you are the type that picks and chooses which parts of the Torah you believe based on whatever you pull out of your tuchus (or put into your tuchus for that matter). But don't blame those of us who have a conscience and believe the whole thing. Also, talking the way I do does not make me look ugly. It makes me look exceedingly cool and inspires Jews to become more observant because if a Gentile can proudly believe in the Torah, then so can a Jew.

Dan Ben Noah, JTF.org 58 Comments [10/2/2011 4:44:03 AM]
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Murf

*raises eyebrows* I've never seen it translated that way. But then, I tend toward bitching at "Christian" fundies.

10/2/2011 10:59:56 AM

PAnz

Someone must have skipped that section about keeping your enemies close and treating others as your brother

After all these years I'm still astounded those that profess to be christians follow none of the rules or laws that their holy leader set down for them

10/2/2011 11:06:59 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Doesn't "yimach shmo" refer exclusively to antisemites? I've only ever heard it used to refer to Nazis... they're comparing gay people to the Nazis. It's Godwin tiiiiiiiime~!

10/2/2011 11:09:17 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

"in this case they are supporting becoming intimately familiar anally with the wrong people."

Who would be the right people? I want to make sure that if the subject of me becoming intimately familiar with a lady-friend's asshole, ever comes up again, that we have your approval. Nothing in the world is more important to me than the unwarranted self importance of an Internet retard.

10/2/2011 11:10:39 AM

Doubting Thomas

Leviticus 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Yeah, about that, when you start exhorting people to stop eating shellfish, wearing clothes of mixed fibers, eating meat and dairy products together, stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, and make animal sacrifices like the other Levitical laws require as much as you're against homosexuality, you don't have any legitimate basis for a biblical aversion to homosexuality.

And when you do start doing all those other things, everyone will see just how nuts you are.

10/2/2011 11:25:54 AM

Headache

Leviticus 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

As you can see, this position is straight out of the Torah, so there is nothing "fringe" about it. It's simply the truth.


Oh no you didn't invoke Leviticus!

Well, according to yourself, you should most likely be stoned to death, over and over and over for breaking a tons of Leviticus laws and along with your wife and children if you are married!!

Leviticus? I would not go there if I were you!

10/2/2011 12:26:35 PM

TheJebusFire

But two hot chicks doing it is great...

10/2/2011 2:09:41 PM

JSS

Well then I wish AIDS upon you my dear Dan, and a slow and painful death for both you and that other pissant excuse for a rabbi who exploited the death of a child to oppose gay marriage.

Hey, come on now. With all that it bans I'm sure you committed 'abomination' according to the Torah at some point. Never so much as picked up sticks on the Sabbath? Never wore clothing of mixed fabrics?

Now, if you could kindly stop defecating out of that 'tuchus' beneath your nose, we'd be much obliged.

10/2/2011 2:22:08 PM

Giveitaday

Just because you never personally met someone doesn't mean you shouldn't wish AIDS on them if what they have done is evil.

Except that what people and religions, especially religions, define as evil is both arbitrary and highly subjective.

Look at all the people that JTF gives the "yimach shmo" curse to.

I'm sure the "yimach shmo curse" is every bit as effective as the evil eye and other such "curses". That is to say not even a little bit.

We are not intimately familiar with all of these people but we know they are evil

I guess it's not hard to define people as "evil" when you define "evil" as anything that does not agree with your preconcieved views and opinions.

The policy makers who had a hand in embracing queer mongers (which includes removing the ban on sodomy that used to be in the UCMJ) are endorsing a PRACTICE that is forbidden to both Jews and Gentiles.

You have failed to notice one incontravertible FACT! The american people and by extension the US military are not governed by nor subject to the laws of any religion. Period!

In this case, they have done something bad to me, because they are corrupting my society and the defenders of it.

No, they have not. You are not guaranteed, nor can you reasonably expect society, in part or in whole, to conform itself is such a way as to not offend your delicate sensabilities. The sooner you take a step back and realize that the world does not revolve around you you and your expectations the happier we'll all be.

Let's go back to basics for just a moment:

Leviticus 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.


Your basics maybe, but not mine. Your religious "laws" and beliefs do not have any legal impact on anyone. Anyone is free to follow and live by them if they so choose, but you DO NOT have the right to expect anyone other than yourself to live by them.

As you can see, this position is straight out of the Torah, so there is nothing "fringe" about it. It's simply the truth.

And the Torah means absolutely fuck-all to both myself and millions of others. You can live by all you want, but you should not, and indeed cannot, expect anyone else to do so.

The correct answer is if it is in line with G-d's will. And "evil" includes more practices than just wanting to destroy Israel, and homosexual relations is clearly one of them. Now maybe you are the type that picks and chooses which parts of the Torah you believe based on whatever you pull out of your tuchus (or put into your tuchus for that matter). But don't blame those of us who have a conscience and believe the whole thing.

And are those who eat shellfish or wear clothes of mixed fabrics also "evil"? I ask this because the Torah refers to both of them as "abominations", te same word with which it refers to homosexuality. So I ask you this, Do you 'curse' or pray for the deaths of those people who eat shimp or wear a cotton/rayon blend? And if not, then why? Are they not equally "evil" in the eyes of your "god"?

Also, talking the way I do does not make me look ugly.

Of course not. There's nothing ugly, spiteful, or exceedingly petty about wishing or praying for your "god" to kill people or give them an incurable diasese for something so simple as disagreeing with you.

It makes me look exceedingly cool and inspires Jews to become more observant because if a Gentile can proudly believe in the Torah, then so can a Jew.

But it doesn't make you look "cool", it makes you look like a bigoted little prick with a highly overinflated sense of is own importance and an ego the size of a small country. Arrogance doesn't make you look "cool", nor does bigotry. In fact, it's hard to look "cool" when people like you are a dime a dozen.

10/2/2011 2:42:51 PM

Old Viking

Go play with your dreidel.

10/2/2011 3:08:36 PM

The_L

"Just because you never personally met someone doesn't mean you shouldn't wish AIDS on them"

This is where you go wrong, Dan. Horribly, cruelly wrong.

10/2/2011 3:33:30 PM

cdcdrr

Have you READ the old testament? I can't imagine anyone would want to follow that to the letter. It's one human rights violation after the other.

10/2/2011 5:08:14 PM

I Read About The Afterlife

Cool doesn't mean what it used to, I see.

10/2/2011 5:09:35 PM

LDM

"Just because you never personally met someone doesn't mean you shouldn't wish AIDS on them if what they have done is evil"

And that's where you lost me.

10/2/2011 6:43:22 PM

Raised by Horses

@cdcdrr

You're trying to appeal to the conscience of someone who doesn't have any, by all appearances. Might want to try a different approach here, mate.

10/2/2011 7:01:31 PM

Paler_Face

Leviticus 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 11:9-12
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Have you ever eaten mussels, you clam-eating abomination?

10/3/2011 12:42:59 AM



This Christian-Jewish relation seems near freudian at times.


10/3/2011 4:04:30 AM

Mister Spak

You're going to hell beause you refuse to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior.

Have fun with all the homos down there.


10/3/2011 4:46:43 AM

grimsoncrow

Just because you never personally met someone doesn't mean you shouldn't wish DEATH BY GAS CHAMBER on them if what they have done is evil.

See how it works?

Actually, I seem to remember this small moustaced guy who hated you both(Gays & Jews) enough to try and eradicate you.He must have had a point then?

10/3/2011 4:51:30 AM

breakerslion

@ Zeus Almighty:

We're not the Jewish Task Force! We're the Task Force of Judea, Suicide Squad! (Takes out sword and falls on it.)

BTW, "JTF" really stands for, "Just Talking Fucks."

10/3/2011 7:06:03 AM

Swede

You have a conscience? Why then do you need a god to tell you what to accept or reject, what to do or not do?

We who have a more active conscience can see that two people of the same gender having intimate relations doesn't bother or concern us in the slightest, ergo it's not evil.

As to the Leviticus citation; if you have vaginal sexual relations with women and anal sexual relations with men, you are not breaking that commandment.

10/3/2011 7:25:19 AM

QuasiRodent

>#1337184
>Paler_Face

>Leviticus 11:9-12

>Have you ever eaten mussels, you clam-eating abomination?

Just a note, that since all shellfish and crustaceans are explicitly NOT kosher, it's highly unlikely that this guy HAS ever eaten mussels or clams. Religious Jews still keep to very strict dietary laws, my grandmother wasn't even orthodox, yet she had separate plates for dairy and meat dishes, and possibly even separate sets of cutlery.

10/3/2011 8:27:14 AM

Berny

Another moron who has a fixation with anal sex. As for Leviticus, you can shove it up your tukhus until you can demonstrate categorically and empirically that it is the indisputable Word of God(TM).
Until you do, I will continue to call scripture-quoting retards like you hateful bigots.

10/3/2011 9:21:40 AM

Kilahti

"Leviticus 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman"

No, because verily you must do it in a different way with another man.

10/3/2011 11:27:21 AM

Brianisha

Ah ok, so its fine to use the OT when its convenient for you, but dont bother with the other laws like eating no shellfish or wearing clothes of different materials. Go fuck yourself.

10/3/2011 6:23:21 PM
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