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According to the atheistic approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that God does not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that God exists. If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God. It stands the reason then, that atheists cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools. In that case, he must believe that God exists, since he is not sure He does.

Ben Masada, CARM 74 Comments [10/2/2011 4:52:13 AM]
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Atheissimo

According to the Christian approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that Zeus does not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that Zeus exists. If he knew for sure that Zeus existed, he would not have to say that he believes in Zeus. It stands the reason then, that Christians cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools. In that case, he must believe that Zeus exists, since he is not sure He does.

10/2/2011 4:59:42 AM

C_V


"It stands the reason" - no, none of this is anywhere near being reasoned. the only one here looking the fool is you, Ben.

10/2/2011 5:06:24 AM

Nowonmai

Uhh, just no. But I am highly amused at what passes for 'logic' in a fundie.

10/2/2011 5:11:48 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

Why is he automatically a fool for believing that God doesn't exist? Why isn't there a middle ground between absolutely believing that God exists and absolutely believing that It doesn't?

10/2/2011 5:53:11 AM



Wow, I'd like a bit of salt with that logic pretzel.

10/2/2011 6:16:57 AM

Bollox

If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God.

So, Ben: do you believe in God?

10/2/2011 6:19:08 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Can I say that I am convinced to within a reasonable margin of error that god does not exist?

10/2/2011 6:32:11 AM

Not Today

How 'bout this?

Nothing I've experienced; including several years of being a church-going, bible-believing, Baptist; lead me to think the god of the bible is true. No, I cannot say for certain that there isn't some higher power out there. But I can say that if it's the one from the bible then everybody is screwed, including everyone who claims to be Christian.

10/2/2011 6:36:13 AM

Power Skunk

Round and round the logic goes
when it makes sense, no one knows.

10/2/2011 6:41:56 AM

TGRwulf

No proof that something doesn't exist is not proof it exists.

10/2/2011 6:49:02 AM

Percy Q. Shunn


10/2/2011 6:57:20 AM

Horsefeathers

"According to the atheistic approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that God does not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that God exists."

According to the atheistic approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that unicorns do not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that unicorns exists.

See why we're all laughing at you?

"If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God. It stands the reason then, that atheists cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools. In that case, he must believe that God exists, since he is not sure He does."

Where the hell do you people keep coming up with such tortured and illogical bullshit?

10/2/2011 7:04:38 AM




This must be where they get their idiotic idea that atheists really believe but are just rejecting God so they can sin.


10/2/2011 7:21:07 AM

Thinking Allowed

So Ben, can you prove that your god does exist so that the atheist can believe?

10/2/2011 7:45:38 AM

tmarcl

as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that God does not exist

True. No one can say for absolute certainty that there is nothing out there that could be termed "god." However, based on the evidence, if something like that does exist, it is nothing like what we humans have thought up in the last several thousand years, and most definitely not the Judeo-Christian god.

So, he has no choice but to believe that God exists.

Wrong. He has no choice but to (honestly) state what you said above - that he can not be 100% certain. Or, as I tend to say, while it's possible that there is something out there that could be termed "god," the evidence seems to be pointing against such a thing.

If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God.

Huh? What? If he knew for certain that God existed, he would have to state that he believes in god. Much in the same way that I believe in the computer in front of me, or the chair beneath me. Both objectively exist.

. It stands the reason then, that atheists cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools.

Again, wrong. We can be certain of the things for which there is sufficient evidence (like the computer and chair I mentioned earlier). We can be fairly certain of the things for which there is a great deal of evidence. Neither instance makes us "fools." A fool would be someone who is certain of things for which there is either no evidence whatsoever, or direct evidience to the contrary.

In that case, he must believe that God exists, since he is not sure He does.

So, he must believe in an uncertainty? Are you truly that gullible? If so, I'm a prince from Nigeria who needs to transfer some money...




10/2/2011 8:05:00 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

I am 100% sure, unequivocal, without a doubt, that bible god does not and cannot exist.

I am only about 99.99999 certain that no gods at all exists.

I guess that makes me a believer, according to Uncle Ben.

10/2/2011 8:12:24 AM



Ok, are you 100% sure that a checkered board rabbit with super powers doesn't exist?. Same there.

10/2/2011 8:13:35 AM

Alencon

What? So since I cannot say for sure that alien civilizations don't exist, I must believe they exist?

They really are desperate to convince themselves that atheists are wrong aren't they?

10/2/2011 8:16:45 AM

JesusWouldFacepalm

This is a common rookie mistake, not necessarily fundie. The person in question simply needs to be told the meaning of Agnosticism. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that such a term has never crossed his mind.

10/2/2011 8:23:28 AM

Doubting Thomas

Huh??? I can't know 100% for sure if God exists, so I must believe that he does? I think that's the Christian approach to belief, not the atheist one.

I can't know 100% for sure that Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, elves, gnomes, pixies, or sprites exist, so does that mean I must believe that they do?

Sometimes I just can't believe that someone could post some inane argument like this and then talk about others being fools.

10/2/2011 8:32:58 AM

Papabear

Just because EVERY DAMN PIECE of evidence points toward gods NOT existing, doesn't mean that I can say for absolutely, positively certain that gods do not exist. I does mean that the only logical way to proceed is to live life without belief in gods. However, there IS good evidence showing that the God of the Bible does not exist, so I live my life DAMN SURE that the God of the Bible is fictional.

10/2/2011 8:33:58 AM

Zeus Almighty

Incredible claims require incredible evidence.
Your lot says there's an invisible, bearded, man in the clouds; now prove it. Ball's in your cour, sparky.
While I'm waiting on that I'll just enjoy life.

10/2/2011 8:51:41 AM

Extraintrovert

my fuck is full of mind

10/2/2011 9:24:13 AM

Osiris

Uh...no. If you don't know if something exists, then it's logical to believe it doesn't. After all you don't know faeries exist, yet I'm sure you don't believe in them.

10/2/2011 9:57:11 AM

aaa

Such a shame that leaving holes that big to your theory is not worth fixing. Otherwise, you could have excellent conversations with interesting people.

10/2/2011 10:13:26 AM
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