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According to the atheistic approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that God does not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that God exists. If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God. It stands the reason then, that atheists cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools. In that case, he must believe that God exists, since he is not sure He does.

Ben Masada, CARM 74 Comments [10/2/2011 4:52:13 AM]
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#1336902

Atheissimo

According to the Christian approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that Zeus does not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that Zeus exists. If he knew for sure that Zeus existed, he would not have to say that he believes in Zeus. It stands the reason then, that Christians cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools. In that case, he must believe that Zeus exists, since he is not sure He does.

10/2/2011 4:59:42 AM

#1336904

C_V

"It stands the reason" - no, none of this is anywhere near being reasoned. the only one here looking the fool is you, Ben.

10/2/2011 5:06:24 AM

#1336905

Nowonmai

Uhh, just no. But I am highly amused at what passes for 'logic' in a fundie.

10/2/2011 5:11:48 AM

#1336912

Veras_the_Brujah

Why is he automatically a fool for believing that God doesn't exist? Why isn't there a middle ground between absolutely believing that God exists and absolutely believing that It doesn't?

10/2/2011 5:53:11 AM

#1336927

Wow, I'd like a bit of salt with that logic pretzel.

10/2/2011 6:16:57 AM

#1336928

Bollox

If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God.

So, Ben: do you believe in God?

10/2/2011 6:19:08 AM

#1336932

Dr. Shrinker

Can I say that I am convinced to within a reasonable margin of error that god does not exist?

10/2/2011 6:32:11 AM

#1336936

Not Today

How 'bout this?

Nothing I've experienced; including several years of being a church-going, bible-believing, Baptist; lead me to think the god of the bible is true. No, I cannot say for certain that there isn't some higher power out there. But I can say that if it's the one from the bible then everybody is screwed, including everyone who claims to be Christian.

10/2/2011 6:36:13 AM

#1336938

Power Skunk

Round and round the logic goes
when it makes sense, no one knows.

10/2/2011 6:41:56 AM

#1336942

TGRwulf

No proof that something doesn't exist is not proof it exists.

10/2/2011 6:49:02 AM

#1336947

Percy Q. Shunn

10/2/2011 6:57:20 AM

#1336948

Horsefeathers

"According to the atheistic approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that God does not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that God exists."

According to the atheistic approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that unicorns do not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that unicorns exists.

See why we're all laughing at you?

"If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God. It stands the reason then, that atheists cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools. In that case, he must believe that God exists, since he is not sure He does."

Where the hell do you people keep coming up with such tortured and illogical bullshit?

10/2/2011 7:04:38 AM

#1336958

This must be where they get their idiotic idea that atheists really believe but are just rejecting God so they can sin.

10/2/2011 7:21:07 AM

#1336965

Thinking Allowed

So Ben, can you prove that your god does exist so that the atheist can believe?

10/2/2011 7:45:38 AM

#1336969

tmarcl

as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that God does not exist

True. No one can say for absolute certainty that there is nothing out there that could be termed "god." However, based on the evidence, if something like that does exist, it is nothing like what we humans have thought up in the last several thousand years, and most definitely not the Judeo-Christian god.

So, he has no choice but to believe that God exists.

Wrong. He has no choice but to (honestly) state what you said above - that he can not be 100% certain. Or, as I tend to say, while it's possible that there is something out there that could be termed "god," the evidence seems to be pointing against such a thing.

If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God.

Huh? What? If he knew for certain that God existed, he would have to state that he believes in god. Much in the same way that I believe in the computer in front of me, or the chair beneath me. Both objectively exist.

. It stands the reason then, that atheists cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools.

Again, wrong. We can be certain of the things for which there is sufficient evidence (like the computer and chair I mentioned earlier). We can be fairly certain of the things for which there is a great deal of evidence. Neither instance makes us "fools." A fool would be someone who is certain of things for which there is either no evidence whatsoever, or direct evidience to the contrary.

In that case, he must believe that God exists, since he is not sure He does.

So, he must believe in an uncertainty? Are you truly that gullible? If so, I'm a prince from Nigeria who needs to transfer some money...

10/2/2011 8:05:00 AM

#1336973

Jezebel's Evil Sister

I am 100% sure, unequivocal, without a doubt, that bible god does not and cannot exist.

I am only about 99.99999 certain that no gods at all exists.

I guess that makes me a believer, according to Uncle Ben.

10/2/2011 8:12:24 AM

#1336975

Ok, are you 100% sure that a checkered board rabbit with super powers doesn't exist?. Same there.

10/2/2011 8:13:35 AM

#1336979

Alencon

What? So since I cannot say for sure that alien civilizations don't exist, I must believe they exist?

They really are desperate to convince themselves that atheists are wrong aren't they?

10/2/2011 8:16:45 AM

#1336983

JesusWouldFacepalm

This is a common rookie mistake, not necessarily fundie. The person in question simply needs to be told the meaning of Agnosticism. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that such a term has never crossed his mind.

10/2/2011 8:23:28 AM

#1336986

Doubting Thomas

Huh??? I can't know 100% for sure if God exists, so I must believe that he does? I think that's the Christian approach to belief, not the atheist one.

I can't know 100% for sure that Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, elves, gnomes, pixies, or sprites exist, so does that mean I must believe that they do?

Sometimes I just can't believe that someone could post some inane argument like this and then talk about others being fools.

10/2/2011 8:32:58 AM

#1336987

Papabear

Just because EVERY DAMN PIECE of evidence points toward gods NOT existing, doesn't mean that I can say for absolutely, positively certain that gods do not exist. I does mean that the only logical way to proceed is to live life without belief in gods. However, there IS good evidence showing that the God of the Bible does not exist, so I live my life DAMN SURE that the God of the Bible is fictional.

10/2/2011 8:33:58 AM

#1336994

Zeus Almighty

Incredible claims require incredible evidence.
Your lot says there's an invisible, bearded, man in the clouds; now prove it. Ball's in your cour, sparky.
While I'm waiting on that I'll just enjoy life.

10/2/2011 8:51:41 AM

#1337006

Extraintrovert

my fuck is full of mind

10/2/2011 9:24:13 AM

#1337016

Osiris

Uh...no. If you don't know if something exists, then it's logical to believe it doesn't. After all you don't know faeries exist, yet I'm sure you don't believe in them.

10/2/2011 9:57:11 AM

#1337021

aaa

Such a shame that leaving holes that big to your theory is not worth fixing. Otherwise, you could have excellent conversations with interesting people.

10/2/2011 10:13:26 AM

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