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It is perhaps useful to think about heaven and hell in terms of utility rather than fairness. If God has a purpose for man beyond the grave and is distinguishing between those He finds useful for that purpose and those He does not, and if man has been created with an immortal soul, then obviously something must be done with those immortal souls who have been determined to be of no use to Him. This logic answers Rob Bell's simplistic concerns regarding the fate of Gandhi and anyone else deemed "good" by humanity; their perceived goodness during their time on Earth is totally irrelevant with regard to their eternal utility in the eyes of God. This should not be a difficult concept to grasp, as even the best Mixed Martial Arts fighter in the world is not considered to be of any value whatsoever to the United States Marine Corps.

Vox Day, World Net Daily, Hell is for human trash 58 Comments [10/9/2011 9:04:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar
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N. De Plume

Well, if it is not about fairness, I hope you aren’t one of those folks goin’ on about how God is totally just and fair, then.

And, out of curiosity, what is it that makes the world’s best mixed martial artist so ill-suited for the US Marine Corps.? (Assuming the martial artist in question is American—I really don’t know.)

10/9/2011 9:21:02 AM

Selkie

Your god is a tool. So are you.

10/9/2011 9:24:49 AM

David B.

Why does God create billions of individuals for which he has no use? Particularly since, being God, he would have known they were of no use to him before he created them?

Perhaps it's not souls but minds God needs? Then the purpose of religion would be to weed out the weak-minds (who get put in a playpen with something shiny for all eternity), while those mentally agile enough to not take their world-view from the mangled translations of 2000-4000 year old fables are entrusted with the real work.

Makes as much sense as your idea.

10/9/2011 9:34:27 AM

werewolf

What about the best fighter in Aikido or Shotokan Karate or Wing Chun or any of the other martial arts? Would they be of value to the USMC?

This god of yours seems to be such an insane prick that, if he were a real person, he'd be in a mental institution.

10/9/2011 9:35:33 AM

CanadianBroad

However, the many many "ifs" in your little hypothesis aside, what is this "use" that your dear granny of a god has created all these souls for?
Because in my view, a Ghandi is worth about a million christian fundies in terms of suffering alleviated, general good to humanity, and spreading the "law" of Jesus. (The whole of The Law is to "love one another as I have loved you". Remember that part, fundies?)

So now what? Is Ghandi in hell? Or not? Is your god a nasty peacock who is all pride and vanity, or is he genuinely interested in the well-being of his "creation"?

10/9/2011 9:42:32 AM

Skyknight

{sigh} He probably thinks good and evil ought not apply to God, either, only holiness and unholiness...

I get the bad feeling that THIS is how he thinks he's circumvented the Euthyphro dilemma--by declaring virtue and piety to have no causal link.

10/9/2011 9:44:14 AM

RayO_ElGatubelo

Um, if God created people that are of no use to him, then he's not very perfect, is he?

10/9/2011 9:49:09 AM

JSS

Then maybe this omniscient God (who is surprisingly human in nature) could just, not create the 'useless' humans in the first place.

Eh, nevermind. Maybe it's best not to let logic intrude into a place where idiocy reigns.

10/9/2011 9:56:21 AM

Anon-e-moose

"This logic answers Rob Bell's simplistic concerns regarding the fate of Gandhi and anyone else deemed "good" by humanity; their perceived goodness during their time on Earth is totally irrelevant with regard to their eternal utility in the eyes of God. This should not be a difficult concept to grasp, as even the best Mixed Martial Arts fighter in the world is not considered to be of any value whatsoever to the United States Marine Corps."

Even a stray bog-standard mongrel off the streets can be turned into a drugs/explosives/guard dog by the US armed forces. Just as a rookie off the streets - issued uniform barely warm - can be trained into a disciplined, weapon-using, intelligent soldier.

Before he was a politician, he was an actor. Before he was a wrestler, Jesse Ventura...:



...was a Navy SEAL.

The term 'Bad Analogy' exists for a reason.

I love the smell of annihilated arguments - and 'logic' - in the morning. Smells like... victory.

"and if man has been created with an immortal soul"

If. [/Spartan Laconic Wit]

...oh, and re. 'immortal soul', just two words completely destroys not just your argument, but the very basis of your beliefs & dogma: prove it.

10/9/2011 9:57:35 AM

Bollox

Well, that lets VD into heaven all right, and after all, that's all that matters, yes?

10/9/2011 9:58:33 AM

Mrs. Antichrist

Spoken like a true sociopath, Vox.

10/9/2011 10:08:18 AM

Raised by Horses

Logic... you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you.. fuck it. And fuck you, you self-righteous, pathetic prick.

10/9/2011 10:12:25 AM

Osiris

So God doesn't actually need good people, just mindless obedient slaves.

10/9/2011 10:18:18 AM

Canadiest

Have you lot got any sense when it comes to comparisions or analogies? Someone with martial arts skills would be fasttracked towards special ops. What you're looking for, moreso, is something like this:

"This should not be a difficult concept to grasp, as even someone raised in fundamentalist Baptist or Evangelist beliefs could be considered to be of any value whatsoever to the United States Marine Corps or society in general.


10/9/2011 10:29:41 AM

farpadokly

So nothing we do on earth matters? If we spend all our lives doing good things, but God might still condemn us to hell, then why do good things? You might as well be evil. In fact, might as well get as much pleasure as you can from life if your soul is going to be condemned arbitrarily to either heaven or hell after death.
Unless the argument is "If you do good things, you may be found to be worthless, but if you are evil, you will also be found to be worthless". In that case, God's choice of the elect is either completely random or based on criteria that we don't have access to.
Although this kind of person usually thinks that we do have access to those criteria, and all we have to do is do what he says and send him money and he will tell us what they are.
Also, I think the best Martial Arts Fighter in the world would be of value to the Marine Corps. He'd be easier to train up in their inimitable way.

10/9/2011 10:36:39 AM

Brendan Rizzo

So God utilizes mass slavery? UWAAAAAAAAAAA?!

10/9/2011 10:44:10 AM

Canadia

Your God is apparently an idiot, all-powerful but still fucking up and making things he's just going to throw away. Not to mention a prick for throwing them away after creating them.

10/9/2011 10:49:18 AM

DinosaurRidinJeebus

So the marines have no use for someone who is already hardened, tough, fit, used to pushing him/herself, and very good at fighting?

Yeah...you're stupid...

10/9/2011 11:02:59 AM

aaa

One man is worth something to any military force that can actually get the job done. Especially if the dude in question is well-trained and in top physical condition.

10/9/2011 11:04:40 AM

Old Viking

Well, you know what they say about "ifs." If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.

10/9/2011 12:23:33 PM



vox day is crap, but this quote is a nice one; i like when fundies brag about how bad their god is

10/9/2011 12:58:23 PM

CohibaMan

For a while I was starting to think that Vox Day was a long-running elaborate poe, but now I'm sort of starting to suspect that this man is mentally disturbed and entirely disconnected from reality.

Honest to God, some of the things that Christians in this country say are infinitely more blasphemous than anything I've ever heard said by Aleister Crowley or Anton LaVey. In fact, I'm starting to suspect that fundamentalist Christianity in all its forms is really a secretive devil-worshiping cult...


10/9/2011 1:36:03 PM

Night Jaguar

"If God has a purpose for man beyond the grave and is distinguishing between those He finds useful for that purpose and those He does not"

What does God need with a starship man?

10/9/2011 1:40:59 PM

Auratwilight

If God only needs people to be useful to him, why did he create free will?

If God doesn't need the people he throws into Hell and is trying to get rid of them, why not destroy their souls and give them oblivion instead of UNENDING SUFFERING?

10/9/2011 2:04:43 PM

Horsefeathers

"It is perhaps useful to think about heaven and hell in terms of utility rather than fairness. If God has a purpose for man beyond the grave and is distinguishing between those He finds useful for that purpose and those He does not, and if man has been created with an immortal soul, then obviously something must be done with those immortal souls who have been determined to be of no use to Him."

You mean like, oh, I don't know, maybe not creating them in the first place?

Why do you people claim omniscience and omnipotence--not to mention omnibenevolence--for your favorite invisible friend and then fail to understand the consequences of those attributes? If your god is, indeed, omniscient then he should never create anyone who is of no use to him or he knows will not worship him. And no, "free will" isn't going to cut it as an excuse.

10/9/2011 2:11:48 PM
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