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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that he didn't agree with abortion "under any circumstance."

The candidate, who has promised to work to overturn Roe v. Wade, told NBC's David Gregory that he believes in "life from conception."

"I do not agree with abortion under any circumstance," he insisted.

"Exceptions for rape and incest?" Gregory asked.

"Not for rape and incest," Cain replied. "Because if you look at rape and incest, the percentage of those instances is so miniscule that there are other options."

But when it came to cases where the life of the mother was at stake, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO left a little wiggle room.

"If it's the life of the mother, that family is going to have to make that decision.

Herman Cain, Crooks & Liars 75 Comments [10/24/2011 3:25:39 AM]
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Brianisha

I dont agree with christians that flaunt their power around. Oh and I really dont agree with the fact that what hes asking implies rape is ok.

10/24/2011 8:04:18 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Ah, flip-flopping. Where would politics be without it?

10/24/2011 8:07:33 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that he didn't agree with abortion "under any circumstance.""

And at a stroke - via alienating half of his effective electorate (remember: the all-important, candidate-killing moderates & swing-voters) - Hermie-boy here has crashed & burned, re. his presidential hopes.

I'm reminded of the scene at the end of the film "RoboCop II", when Murphy/RoboCop has just opened up the back, and torn out & smashed the brain capsule/neural buffer of his law enforcement replacement 'RoboCop II'

The name of said cyborg rival? Cain. >:D

10/24/2011 8:54:06 AM

aaa

I find it rather sad that dumbasses like this are outright showered with praise for being so aggressively stupid.

10/24/2011 9:13:57 AM

Berny

The candidate, who has promised to work to overturn Roe v. Wade, told NBC's David Gregory that he believes in "life from conception."

Yet another Republican who doesn't believe in the Constitution of the United States. Color me surprised.
Is this the kind of government interference that the "less government interference in our lives" Republican crowd favor?

10/24/2011 9:49:23 AM



"But when it came to cases where the life of the mother was at stake, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO left a little wiggle room.

"If it's the life of the mother, that family is going to have to make that decision.""

Fuck no! If the pregnancy will kill the mother, you get that thing out of her pronto... if you don't, you are killing TWO PEOPLE... according to your belief.

And for the sake of clarity... that belief you have is very much ANTI-LIFE!

10/24/2011 9:59:47 AM



The candidate, who has promised to work to overturn Roe v. Wade, told NBC's David Gregory that he believes in "life from conception."
If that's what you have promised then why are you running for the presidency and not trying to be a justice of the Supreme Court?

"If it's the life of the mother, that family is going to have to make that decision."
Shouldn't it be her decision? I mean it's her life after all.

10/24/2011 10:00:28 AM

Godbuster

This is really the problem with fundamentalism. You can't simplify the world to such a point, you'll just glance over important details in the process. Limiting your world view through fundamentalism is idiotic, but it carries with itself the essential problem that being a fundamentalist also doesn't allow you to see alternatives. It's catch 22 really: too stupid to see how stupid they are.

10/24/2011 10:06:19 AM

Zagen30

@Anon-e-moose

Good point on traveling to Mexico or Canada. Banning it here won't stop it in any other country, though the fundies who want to push through anti-abortion laws would probably want us to invade those heathen Muslim countries to end it there as well and bring sanity and good Christian values to those deplorable nations.

I did a report on abortion for a college anthro course that covered how different cultures view life. If I remember correctly (it was a few years ago) the total abortion rate in most countries is roughly equal regardless of the legality in that country. The key difference is in the mortality rate of those getting abortions; in the countries where it's illegal, the rate is pretty high, while those countries where it's legal have drastically lower rates. Outlawing it won't actually stop someone who really wants one

If it's going to happen and doesn't cause physical harm (I wouldn't argue that all illicit drugs should be legalized, for instance, since many of them are demonstrably harmful in a way other than "it's against God's will"), it should be legalized so that it can be done as professionally and safely as possible. Banning it just kills more people, either from dangerous pregnancies that are carried to term or from unsafe procedures killing mothers who would have been fine if they'd gotten it from a safe venue.

10/24/2011 10:43:12 AM

Murdin

that family is going to have to make that decision.

This is probably the most terrifying part, as well as the one sentence that clearly shows Cain for the misogynist bastard he is. Even if we assume that a fucking braindeadnot-yet-alive embryo has the same right to life as a fully formed human being, HER FAMILY, READ FATHER OR HUSBAND, STILL HAS NO RIGHT OVER A WOMAN'S LIFE.

Here is a man who wants to go back to the good old days where the husband was allowed to let his disposable wife die in order to save his precious, half-sentient biological spawn. This man is a front-runner for the presidency of the world's most powerful democracy.

Pro-life people who actually care somewhat about this whole "unalienable right of every human being to live" thing : Herman Cain is NOT your candidate.

[size=6]... I know I shouldn't be using this kind of argument, especially as an atheist, but, come on... His name is Cain. Who in their right mind would elect a man named after the mythical FIRST MURDERER over his PRO-LIFE positions?. It would be like choosing someone called Sauron as your councillor for his trustworthiness and his lack of ulterior motives.[/size]

10/24/2011 10:45:45 AM

Canuovea

You know what? Herman Cain has said that he doesn't believe in abortion. Fair enough. But he has also said that he can hold a personal belief without enforcing it on others via law.

This effectively makes him Pro-choice. This is what other pro-lifers have been attacking him over. That he wouldn't pass a law against abortion.

Here: "“What I'm saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make,” he said. “Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family… I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to a social decision that they need to make.”

http://powerwall.msnbc.msn.com/politics/cains-abortion-blunder-1705042.story

I also want to draw attention to the "a choice that that family or that mother has to make,”. Note the "or that mother" part. So he might actually not be saying that women have no right over their bodies.

I can understand his position here, even if I think he's kinda crazy. I most certainly wouldn't vote for him...

10/24/2011 11:38:51 AM

Murdin

@Canuovea I also want to draw attention to the "a choice that that family or that mother has to make,”. Note the "or that mother" part. So he might actually not be saying that women have no right over their bodies.

*looks up*

... nice misquote from an obviously biased website's part, then. Forget what I've just said. Shame on me for not checking the facts, and shame on Crooks & Liars for trying to manipulate the liberal opinion towards a further polarization of the debate.

10/24/2011 11:42:23 AM

Osiris

@Zagen30: Mississippi has the harshest restrictions on abortion clinics, to the point where all but one have closed down because they can't met the draconian legislation the pro-life majority in the state senate have passed. What happens is that women in Mississippi either leave the state, or worse, seek out unhealthy and dangerous back alley abortions.

10/24/2011 12:10:23 PM

Axel

.... Well... Consistent, at least.

10/24/2011 12:26:51 PM

Old Viking

The man is absolutely dense.

10/24/2011 12:41:00 PM

Hive

Pretty much the only thing you know is being a CEO, Cain. Maybe you shouldn't have quit your day job.

10/24/2011 5:08:27 PM

ME24601

Wait...
He says that he is against abortion in all cases, but it is also the families choice? How does that work?

10/24/2011 5:24:59 PM

checkmate

If it's the life of the mother, that family is going to have to make that decision.

I don't understand his position.

If God in his eternal mercy loves a woman so much that his is willing to let her die a horrible and painfull death during birth, then how can that mother be so selfish only to think about herself. Incredible.

Not agreeing with abortion "under any circumstance" means not under any circumstance. Come on folks, let's get real here.

How can Cain be so squeamish? What a coward. Let the mother croak. Who knows what it's good for. God does. It's God's love! That's why Jesus died on the cross!

What if the Blessed Virgin Mary had had an abortion. We'd all be Jews! And heading for eternal damnation.

Backpaddling just to avoid negative emotions and lose votes is a sin and the love of God will come down harsh upon Brother Cain for it.

Amen and God Bless America.

10/24/2011 5:38:30 PM

Thinking Allowed

Well, biblically speaking, if a man rapes a woman, he pays the father off, marries his victim and can't divorce her. So yeah, rape and incest would be ok...


NOT!!!

10/24/2011 6:46:42 PM

JohnTheAtheist

No way the Republicans nominate a black man. No way. Never happen in a million years.

10/24/2011 7:25:10 PM

RapturedbyBlondie

Wrong but not fundie.

10/24/2011 10:52:35 PM

Sylvana

Am I the only one scared by the fact that prominent republican presidential candidates are showing up in these lists?

America, your country scares me.

10/24/2011 11:24:28 PM

Canuovea

"CAIN: What it comes down to is not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family, and whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t try to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive decision." -Herman Cain on abortion.

For those interested:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/From-the-Wires/2011/1024/Herman-Cain-What-did-he-say-about-abortion?google_editors_picks=true

10/25/2011 12:06:47 AM

Burning Stake

Sylvana: I agree, and I'm from the US myself. What seems to have happened is that after roughly 30 years of Republicans going after the "all Democrats are evil, godless, welfare queen baby killers," talking points, the only way they can get candidates now is if they actually endorse those ideals: crazy as they are to the vast majority of Americans. I can only imagine how we would look in, say, Europe, where it's possible to visit more countries in a day than it is to visit states in the US (part of why we're so divided: we're so big, with so many different viewpoints, that you essentially have to be "all or nothing" for one party to get heard and elected.)

The only good thing I can say about it is that I do think that we are rapidly approaching a "tipping point" for the Republicans: where those who are my age (roughly 30) and under are much more likely to be turned off by Republicans than enticed by them, what with the "evil" gays when we have acutal problems in the country, like joblessness and lack of health care. The Republicans have been going farther and farther right with their last 30 years of rhetoric, and I think they've reaped what they've sowed.

10/25/2011 1:26:06 AM



It reminds me of a satiric panflet that said:
"NO to death penalty
exceptions:" and then a long list.

10/25/2011 2:19:26 AM
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