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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that he didn't agree with abortion "under any circumstance."

The candidate, who has promised to work to overturn Roe v. Wade, told NBC's David Gregory that he believes in "life from conception."

"I do not agree with abortion under any circumstance," he insisted.

"Exceptions for rape and incest?" Gregory asked.

"Not for rape and incest," Cain replied. "Because if you look at rape and incest, the percentage of those instances is so miniscule that there are other options."

But when it came to cases where the life of the mother was at stake, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO left a little wiggle room.

"If it's the life of the mother, that family is going to have to make that decision.

Herman Cain, Crooks & Liars 75 Comments [10/24/2011 3:25:39 AM]
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Extraintrovert

The level of stupidity spewing from the Republican candidates is simply boggling, and every time one of these things pops up I am continually surprised that Romney is by far the sanest one. The Democrats aren't exactly squeaky clean themselves, but if voting is ultimately choosing the lesser of two evils then it's clear which one is which. I miss McCain; at least he had some actual credibility.

@1343458
"You see ladies and gentlemen Herman Cain is for less Government control."

Politicians practicing blatant hypocrisy is nothing new.

10/25/2011 2:32:56 AM

Raised by Horses

Die. No need for a fire. Just die.

10/25/2011 4:15:26 AM

Argle Bargle

Welcome to the wonderful world of fundamentalism, where women are nothing more than talking cattle.

I'm suspecting that Christian fundamentalists hate Muslim fundamentalists not because they view their beliefs as abhorrent, but because they view them as a competition.

10/25/2011 4:22:32 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Hive

(emphasis added)

"Pretty much the only thing you know is being a CEO, Cain."

I'm further reminded of that scene in "RoboCop II", where 'RoboCop II' has been unveiled in the hall of the new OCP Centrum, Murphy/RoboCop then enters the scene, challenges his cyber-rival, and it all kicks off, re. him & Cain/RoboCop II. The character nicknamed 'The Old Man' (Dan O'Herlihy), the CEO of OCP later demands of them both - loudly - 'Behave yourselves!'.

Hermie-boy here is saying the same here - only to a mirror. X3

@Argle Bargle

"Welcome to the wonderful world of fundamentalism, where women are nothing more than talking cattle."

Whereas on Planet Reality, there's the likes of Nancy Allen ('Anne Lewis' in the "RoboCop" films). :9

10/25/2011 8:34:31 AM

freako104

Won't get my vote. At all

10/25/2011 8:52:33 AM

Adrian

"Not for rape and incest," Cain replied. "Because if you look at rape and incest, the percentage of those instances is so miniscule that there are other options."

I know that it isn't nice to wish rape on someone, but I really, really wish it was possible to exile Cain into the fantasies of a yaoi fangirl with a big fetish for rape and Mpreg...

On a side note, it is very stupid of Crooks & Liars to quote-mine Cain to make him look bad (well, worse) when he's already giving all the rope to hang him with what he actually said...

Also, two interesting tidbits from Canuovea's first link:

“That could have come right out of the Planned Parenthood playbook,” Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association says of Cain's comments. “To us, it's like somebody saying, ‘I'm personally opposed to gassing Jews, but if you want to do that I'm not going to stand in your way.”

So you even Godwin on people on your side, Bryan? :P

"It's probably too late for a new social-conservative savior to enter the race. “When the dust clears from all this, I think Gov. Perry's star is going to start rising again,” says Fischer. Perry, as it happens, also believes in exemptions for rape and incest. But as clumsy a debater as he is, he knows better than to ever speak in terms of a woman's choice. When it comes to abortion, it's a concept the Republican Party cannot abide."

Neatly sums up the problem with letting the Republican anywhere near the abortion debate... (it's about as legitimate a debate as creationism vs evolution anyway, IMO)

10/25/2011 9:26:01 AM

ZugTheMegasaurus

So let me get this straight: you want to overturn the law providing for safe, legal abortion. You want to make abortion illegal while fully acknowledging that people will do it anyway, which you seem to even be understanding about it. So essentially, all you want to do is make abortion dangerous and unregulated, while turning every woman who has one into a criminal.

And this is the morally righteous position WHY?

10/25/2011 9:31:14 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Adrian

"(it's about as legitimate a debate as creationism vs evolution anyway, IMO)"

Post-Kitzmiller vs. Dover, Creationism has as much legitimacy as Prohibition. And that particulr part of the US Constitution didn't last very long; Roe vs Wade, and all that jazz...!

"Neatly sums up the problem with letting the Republican anywhere near the abortion debate..."

The only way Repubicans & the whole 'pro-lifers can justify themselves is if they agreed to look after all the unwanted babies in the world; with no help from anyone else, least of all financial help. All by themselves.

And when they can't agree...!

10/25/2011 10:02:09 AM

Canuovea

Adrian, exactly.

The Republican party is coming to rely far too much on the social conservative wing of the population. Fact of the matter is, that the social conservatives are the most isolated. Even the fiscal conservatives don't always like them. And the Libertarians hate most of their ideas because Libertarians just want to be left alone, and social conservatives don't do "leave alone."

Though I do think that the abortion debate is not quite as clear cut as evolution vs creationism, it has been dealt with more or less.

And here we have a social conservative, which Cain is, who says the job of the President isn't to force people to behave according to his views, which is true, and his own party are suddenly turning on him like jackals. Why are we doing the same here? There is plenty to attack Cain on aside from this.

Can we at least agree a president isn't supposed to force his ethical views on anyone?

10/25/2011 12:52:10 PM

Song

Edit: Wait, doing a bit more digging...

10/25/2011 1:03:17 PM

tmarcl

"Not for rape and incest," Cain replied. "Because if you look at rape and incest, the percentage of those instances is so miniscule that there are other options."


Let's pretend for a second that this is correct (I have no idea if it is or not). Even if it is, what other options would there be?

Seriously, think about it, you're saying that because a certain crime is rare, the victim (the victim, mind you, not the criminal), should be punished with the consequence. This is like saying because pickpocketing is rare (as an example, the reality doesn't matter for this), the victim should pay for the criminal's legal fees!

10/25/2011 3:40:12 PM

tmarcl

@Anon-e-moose

I thought that such legislation had to be signed into law by the current president? At the UK's State Opening of Parliament, the Queen reads out any new laws that are to be debated, voted on & ultimately placed into the statute book by MPs in the House of Commons, thus giving her approval to such.

If it were a new law, yes, it would be signed by the sitting president. Roe v. Wade was actually a Supreme Court ruling that an existing law was unconstitutional. In order for abortion to become illegal, a new amendment would have to be added to the Constitution.


10/25/2011 3:48:17 PM

Shadoboy

Wether they are a lot or almost none has nothing to do. What are the "Other options"?

10/25/2011 6:34:02 PM

Canuovea

Alright, to be fair, in cases of rape and incest there are other options than abortion if a woman doesn't want to keep the baby.

There is adoption of the baby once it is born, mainly.

Yet, while there are other options, this doesn't change the fact that you cannot tell a woman what to do with her body.

As for the percentages of rape and incest... I don't know the statistics, but I'd hazard a guess that there are more abortions for other reasons than for rape and incest. The condom broke, for instance...

But that also doesn't deal with the argument that you cannot force a woman to do something with her body she does not wish to do.

Now, let us use conditional sentence structure... IF you believe life starts at conception, and IF you believe the sins of the father are not visited on the son... THEN the zygote is both a person and innocent. And so abortion is murder.

Thing is, people do believe this, and it is their prerogative. But they cannot force other people to believe so. And what I have read would indicate Cain seems to think so too. And he is taking shit for it from the social conservatives.

On the subject of Roe vs Wade... it could in theory be overturned by another Supreme Court Ruling (as these things have happened in the past), and definitely with an amendment to the constitution. Doing so, however, would be political suicide... for good reason.

10/25/2011 7:27:30 PM

alberta atheist

Ah, Ole Herman. Anyone remember the electric border fence joke?

10/25/2011 9:13:28 PM

ergo

Republicans vs Women, Round...uh...what round is this?

10/26/2011 5:39:15 AM

Vermicious Knid

@1343376:

he should be forced to watch a 9 yr old rape victim die of a uterine rupture from the attempt of carrying a fetus to term. Or watch a woman convulse to death from eclampsia. Both of these females would have been saves had they been allowed to terminate a potentially fatal pregnancy.

Unfortunately it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to him or people like him. They don't give a shit about protecting the fetus, they just want to punish women for having sex, especially sex outside marriage. His only response to watching a woman or young girl die horribly from pregnancy or birth complications would be a cold declaration that she had it coming for not keeping her legs closed.

10/26/2011 6:19:22 AM

Anon-e-moose

@tmarcl

Ah, I see. Information received and assimilated.

Live and learn, eh? See, fundies? I admit that I'm wrong, and acknowledge the superiority of those who know more than I.

It wouldn't kill you to admit you - and your so-called 'beliefs' are wrong - and therefore acknowledge your inferiority. Only your pride. And your beliefs.

It wouldn't kill you to become left-wing, pro-Choice Atheists, neither.

10/26/2011 7:30:56 AM

Ludd

Go back to making shitty pizza, Herman and shut your piehole.

10/26/2011 10:54:52 AM

Des

Just want to mention that incest should not be counted as anything special. The rates of deformity in those that have an incestuous child are significantly lower than children born to mothers who drink/smoke even before pregnancy.

So yes rape is a good reason for special cases, but consensual incest is not at all.

though i'm also pro-choice, i just get annoyed at people treating incest as something that will cause deformities because the rates may be higher than average but are still extremely low. and no I'm not a child of an incestuous relationship and nor do i have any relatives that I want to do.

10/27/2011 10:21:57 AM



Families don't get pregnant, women do. It's nobody's decision but their own.

10/27/2011 11:45:00 AM

Wiccankitten

We all know their stance is pro life,pro death penalty,and pro war..yeah,have the baby so *we* can kill it!

10/29/2011 1:03:17 AM

Toni

As a few already mentioned the number of women getting abortions for a pregnancy that is the result of rape and incest is small. The problem is we have no real way of knowing the rate of such cases because the majority of rapes go unreported.

10/30/2011 6:49:19 PM



Women can't actually make their own decisions you see.

I can't believe this stupid fucking clown is running for President. He's the black Sarah Palin.

11/1/2011 2:32:13 PM

Anon-e-moose

"I do not agree with abortion under any circumstance," he insisted.

"Exceptions for rape and incest?" Gregory asked.

"Not for rape and incest," Cain replied. "Because if you look at rape and incest, the percentage of those instances is so miniscule that there are other options."

So not for rape and incest, nor any other circumstance, is abortion justified eh, Hermie-boy? I hear you Protestant fundies are opposed to birth control too...:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-usa-campaign-cain-idUSTRE7A04CW20111108

Methinks you'll be singing a different tune eh, Hermie-boy, should any of those four women alleged to have been sexed by you be late very soon...! Two words: child support.

Numbers 32:23 (KJV; emphasis added): 'But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.'

His protestations & living in the river in Egypt, I happened to hear last night on BBC Radio 5; now, where have I heard that - and sounding exactly like that - before...?:

'I did not have sexual relations with that woman.'

-Bill Clinton

The phrase 'Methinks the lady doth protest too much' exists for a reason. Shit sticks, and all that jazz...! >:D

11/9/2011 9:04:36 AM
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