Quote# 84442

Look at reality. Our American Republic has been under durress since the Seneca Falls meeting in 1848. They managed to change the divorce laws for the American Civil War Veterans 1861-64. Before this, if there was a divorce, the man got the house and the children unless something was seriously wrong with him. Divorce rates were only a measley one percent and a spouse still had to prove fault and it wasn’t easy to get a divorce and not everyone could get one. Divorce rates rose to 10% by the end of the First World War, and why shouldn’t they as women usually got the house and kids even under a fault system. Then just in time for the Vietnam War, the divorce laws were changed to no fault and the wife still got the house and kids like it was after the American Civil War unless something was seriously wrong with her. After the Vietnam War, marriage was a man’s fool game tp play and to be honest after the American Civil War it was starting to get a little bad too.

As most of you know, I’m a 43 year old White man and a Christian and a Catholic as well as an U.S. Army Veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan. I’m also a bit of an amatuer historian. The Roman Republic rose for two imporatant reasons although they weren’t the only ones but I believe they were crucial. Enforced monogamy even if the husband but not the wife was allowed in practice if not theory to commit adultry. Pater Potentas, Father’s power, was the other reason. A man had a right to harm or kill his wife, children even unmarried adult female children, adult male children even if theoretically elected to the highest office of the Republic, Consul. He also had the right to harm or kill his grandchildren and great grandchildren. He had the right to harm or kill his descendants wives, slaves, his descendants slaves, his descendants wives slaves or any freed slave by him or them. He had a right to do this without being questioned. Not even the Taliban would allow such a thing as a man needs sufficient reason to do so. When these rights were lost by the Roman Empire among other reasons as well, Rome started to eventually lose. The same process is happening in the USA and we had a much more pleasant patriarchy for the Females even before 1860 than the Roman Republic ever did. As I said above even the Taliban was more pleasant to females than the Roman Republic which our founding fathers based much of our American Republic on. Although it emotionally and in a moral Christian Catholic sense offends even me, in order to halt and reverse our decline we may need to reinstitute some Ancient Roman Republican laws. There’s a reason the Roman Republic crushed all before it, even after suffering fearsome losses in battle and horrific defeats. I see no other logical way. By the way I’m of Polish and Irish descent and not of Italian descent. For as painful as it is for me to admit this, I logically can see no other way to prevent the coming collapse. If someone disagrees with me, please logically prove me wrong as emotionally and morally I would accept and love it. I mean this.

doclove, The Spearhead 59 Comments [10/23/2011 4:42:30 AM]
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10/23/2011 4:45:25 AM

Comrade Potatovich

"Our American Republic has been under durress since the Seneca Falls meeting in 1848"
Since 1848?That's one mighty pachiderm of a republic you have there.

10/23/2011 5:32:52 AM

So, in a nutshell, giving men the right to kill their female relatives would solve all our problems? And it's something desirable?

You're not just an amateur historian. You're an asshole.

10/23/2011 5:54:32 AM


Sounds like that man was a bit of a dick.

10/23/2011 5:58:25 AM


One of two things are true of this guy: a. He's not married; or b. He's not married any more.

10/23/2011 5:59:27 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

This made me LOL...

I’m a 43 year old White man and a Christian and a Catholic

And quite frankly, I doubt you are actually a veteran in any way, shape, manner, or form.

10/23/2011 6:28:54 AM


So wait, are you basically saying you want to be free to beat your wife without her divorcing you? GDIAF.

10/23/2011 6:30:45 AM


Is this asshole advocating spousal abuse in order to save America?
That is some sick shit here.

10/23/2011 6:31:00 AM


After reading that, I just wonder what it has to do with.....ANYTHING?

10/23/2011 7:00:43 AM


I hate to tell you this but there's a much more logical and proven formula to superior armies all through history. Your bullshit doesn't enter into it.

Money. Romes armies became larger and better trained and equiped as Romes wealth grew. As they conquered their wealth grew more and their armies got even better. And as they spread theirselves too thin and broke agreements with the Germanic tribes they got their asses kicked on homeground and Rome fell never to reach such heights again.

that was a simplication but one that fits the actual history. Being a veteran you should know your shit doesn't fly, especially since your own mention of the Taliban fits your plan and they've never achieved those heights.

10/23/2011 7:09:46 AM


This is so incoherent I'm surprised it hasn't flown apart at the molecular level.

10/23/2011 7:49:36 AM


Let me put this as logically and delicately as possible: You are a douchebag.

The end.

10/23/2011 7:56:04 AM


Gotta love amateur historians.

10/23/2011 8:00:34 AM

Doubting Thomas

I'm confused, is he actually arguing that having the right to kill your wife would lower divorce rates?

10/23/2011 8:04:54 AM


10/23/2011 8:34:36 AM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Sounds like someone went through a nasty divorce and lost everything whe he was declared unfit.

10/23/2011 8:34:50 AM


*ugh* Angry, little boy, I hope a female kickboxing champions flattens ya!

Macho Pigs = Weak pansy wimpy baby losers!

Kind Gentlemen = Real men of honor & supreme humanity!

dorkhate is the former.

10/23/2011 9:00:52 AM


Darn double posts! *pbbbhhtthh* >:(

10/23/2011 9:03:33 AM


Even amateur historians use to read actual history books. This dolt seems content with making it up as he goes.

There are studies showing that when women get better living conditions, it benefits everyone. (Maybe with the exception of misogynistic douchebags.)

As far as I know, in a Swedish divorce each partner gets about half of their joint property. Joint custody, 50 percent each, of children is the norm.

I'm curious; what did those men in ancient times do with their kids after the woman was gone?

10/23/2011 9:25:23 AM


"Look at reality." tl;dr...

You fundies wouldn't know reality if it jumped up and raped you in the ear. Meanwhile, for the rest of civilised, non-misogynist humanity on Planet Reality...:

"If someone disagrees with me, please logically prove me wrong as emotionally and morally I would accept and love it. I mean this."

Ancient Sumeria/Babylon/Egypt/Rome/Mesoamerican/China. Ottoman Empire. British Empire. Third Reich. USSR. All great powers - and their cultures & traditions - fall. No Exceptions.

Your call, dochate.

10/23/2011 10:02:18 AM


So, you wife left you (because you're an ignorant, misogynistic a**hole) and now you're bitter, lonely and wish you could kill your ex-wife. Grow up and get yourself a new hobby. History isn't your forte.

10/23/2011 10:23:46 AM


Translation: I hate women. When we're not allowed to beat women into a bloody pulp anymore, then governments start failing.

I don't give a shit that you're Polish and Irish. But thank Apollo you're not Italian. I don't want you to be an embarrassment to my country of origin.

10/23/2011 10:58:03 AM


No wonder your ass has been divorced. You are fucking insane and i would hate to be on the same continent as you. If anything, the best thing you could do would be getting your head out of your buttocks.

10/23/2011 11:21:34 AM


Please tell me this is the worst of misogyny. I've seen everything now....right?

10/23/2011 12:08:13 PM

Brendan Rizzo

Well, this guy is COMPLETELY FRIKKIN' NUTS. The fall of the Roman Republic had nothing to do with the loss of a man's life-and-death power over his family. How do you explain all the other societies where a man simply can't do that, and yet the society remains intact? (Also, the Roman Republic wasn't all it was cracked up to be. If it weren't for its extreme-even-for-ancient-times militarism, Ancient Rome would've been a footnote. Absolutely no Roman was capable of effectively governing, not even the Five Good Emperors. They had no idea that the economic crisis that would spell the doom of their civilization was upon them until after it was too late.) Damn, I'm rambling...

Back on topic, post hoc ergo propter hoc, bitch. We really could use a Sexists Say the Darndest Things section. This person is so reactionary he thinks the Seneca Falls Meeting (which happened five years earlier than he thinks) was a bad thing. We should build a time machine just to send him to the nineteenth century. He'd be much happier then.

10/23/2011 12:22:29 PM

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