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Christmas in Secular America

As we celebrate another Yuletide season, it’s hard not to notice that Christmas in America simply doesn’t feel the same anymore. Although an overwhelming majority of Americans celebrate Christmas, and those who don’t celebrate it overwhelmingly accept and respect our nation’s Christmas traditions, a certain shared public sentiment slowly has disappeared. The Christmas spirit, marked by a wonderful feeling of goodwill among men, is in danger of being lost in the ongoing war against religion.

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

This growing bias explains why many of our wonderful Christmas traditions have been lost. Christmas pageants and plays, including Handel’s Messiah, have been banned from schools and community halls. Nativity scenes have been ordered removed from town squares, and even criticized as offensive when placed on private church lawns. Office Christmas parties have become taboo, replaced by colorless seasonal parties to ensure no employees feel threatened by a “hostile environment.” Even wholly non-religious decorations featuring Santa Claus, snowmen, and the like have been called into question as Christmas symbols that might cause discomfort. Earlier this month, firemen near Chicago reluctantly removed Christmas decorations from their firehouse after a complaint by some embittered busybody. Most noticeably, however, the once commonplace refrain of “Merry Christmas” has been replaced by the vague, ubiquitous “Happy Holidays.” But what holiday? Is Christmas some kind of secret, a word that cannot be uttered in public? Why have we allowed the secularists to intimidate us into downplaying our most cherished and meaningful Christian celebration?

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

Ron Paul, Texas Straight Talk 59 Comments [10/23/2011 4:58:33 AM]
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J. James

Ahhh, good 'ol fake libertarian Ron Paul. The same guy who thinks the entire Bill of Rights are void, and apply only to the federal government.

Little did we know, he also buys into the "War on Christmas" bullshit. Joy.

I swear, one of these fucking people BETTER not get elected. If so, I'm taking a looong vacation to Canada. And I'll be dragging Obama's worthless ass there with me so the world can punish him for allowing them to beat him.

10/23/2011 11:26:05 AM

I don't give a fuck if people say Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or Happy Getting Free Presents day, just as long as they don't get in each other's faces over it.

10/23/2011 11:45:10 AM

Old Viking

Conservatives consider this yutz to be their most intellectual spokesman.

10/23/2011 12:04:45 PM


the elitist, secular Left

Yup, that's me.

Proud of it too.

10/23/2011 12:08:24 PM

Brendan Rizzo

Ron Paul would have a conniption if he ever went to another country, I'm sure.

By the way, since this came from the Wayback Machine, how old is it? I am curious to know for how long this "War on Christmas" crap has been going on.

10/23/2011 12:09:52 PM


I decorate my Buddha statue with a Santa hat and Christmas lights every year. And I'm an atheist.

Can't we all just get along?

10/23/2011 1:44:24 PM


I don't have a problem with this, but people need to know that Ron Paul is a closet racist. Please google "Ron Paul Report" to find his newsletters, in which he goes to great lengths to tear down and insult blacks, Jews and other minorities.

10/23/2011 1:49:39 PM


Ron Paul doesn't realize that "Yuletide" is a Pagan word!

10/23/2011 2:07:33 PM

Jesus Klingon


The record of the General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, May 11, 1659, read:

"For preventing disorders, arising in several places within this jurisdiction by reason of some still observing such festivals as were superstitiously kept in other communities, to the great dishonor of God and offense of others: it is therefore ordered by this court and the authority thereof that whosoever shall be found observing any such day as Christmas or the like, either by forbearing of labor, feasting, or any other way, upon any such account as aforesaid, every such person so offending shall pay for every such offense five shilling(s) as a fine to the county."

10/23/2011 3:01:06 PM

Kevin Klawitter

"Christmas pageants and plays, including Handel’s Messiah, have been banned from schools and community halls."

Bull-fucking-shit. I go to a very secular, state-funded University, and every year the concert choir puts on a Christmas pageant. Of course, we call it a "Carol Concert", but that doesn't change the fact that all of the music we perform in it is seasonal and/or sacred. And guesss what this year's Carol Concert is, Ronny? Handel's Messiah!

I can't imagine how pissed off my choir director will be when he's informed that it's against the law for a state school to perform that in public. Me, too. I shelled out $8 of my own money for my copy!

10/23/2011 3:42:34 PM


@ SpukiKitty AND @ Headache:

I think Old Ron had visions of Old Fezziwig's office Christmas party dancing in his head as he was saying that.

Not often you get a twofer in a comeback!

10/23/2011 4:38:57 PM


This shouldn't surprise anyone. It's been my experience that not only doesn't Paul have the answers, he doesn't even know what the questions are.

10/23/2011 7:29:21 PM


Fuck Ron Paul.

10/23/2011 7:32:37 PM


Care to name even one of those "perverse" Court decisions?

Also, I point you to Jefferson's letter to Rev. Miller, and James Madison's letters after his Presidency.

10/23/2011 8:00:23 PM


"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America"

Oxymoron alert!

10/23/2011 8:50:12 PM


"The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation"

The funny thing is that he thinks this is a bad thing.

The rest of this rant is just the typical B'AAWWWWW, persecution complex, relentless [citation needed], historical revisionism and outright lies typical of Paul and his ilk. Personally, I'm not surprised at all he is a shitty Governor.

Also, at the risk of stereotyping (hah, hypocrisy) it seems that people in the USA love their wars. War on terror, war on drugs, war on crime, war on religion/christmas, and so on and so forth. It's incredibly militaristic, and rather perplexing to watch.

10/23/2011 10:08:40 PM


"with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance"

OH HELL, and you're the FRONT RUNNER?!?!?!?!

10/23/2011 11:13:39 PM

Tolerant, yet bitching about how pagan holiday isnt christian enough

10/24/2011 1:52:42 AM


Despite this being from Wayback, Ron's prayers were answered 15 years ago with a holliday icon we can all get behind.

Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo.

10/24/2011 2:11:27 AM

Mister Spak

"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers."

Thomas Jefferson fail.

10/24/2011 5:47:11 AM

Big One

Repeating lies will not make them true, you know that ?

10/24/2011 6:06:08 AM


Wow. I knew Ron Paul had a little crazy in him, but I didn't realize how deep the rabbit hole went.

It's official: no thinking person can vote Republican if they actually care about this country.

10/24/2011 6:56:50 AM


Here in Australia even some of the Christians take "Christmas" as an excuse to have a day off work and have a bbq with beer.

To the Op, not everyone celebrates Christmas jackoff. What about people who wish to celebrate Kwanza? Or Hanukkah?

10/24/2011 7:28:27 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Looks like Ron doesn't know shit about American History either. What a surprise.

10/24/2011 8:56:24 AM


What's the best way to keep Ron Paul out of office? Show people the real Ron Paul.

10/24/2011 12:25:37 PM

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