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Now, I happen to think that none of us should rush in judgment of others in the way in which they approach God. And I think that all of us up here, I believe, would agree. But I think all of us would also agree that there's a very central part of your faith in how you approach public life, and I frankly would be really worried if someone assured me that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments, because then I'd wonder--how can you have judgment if you have no faith? How can I trust you with power if you don't pray? Who you pray to, how you pray, how you come close to God is between you and God, but the notion that you're endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary on what we mean by "America."

Newt Gingrich, Republican Presidential Debate 53 Comments [10/23/2011 5:07:20 AM]
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Mudak

That's easy enough to spin back around at you: how can we trust someone who believes, for example, that the fact that we're here is because of naked women and snakes, when there are explanations that actually make sense out there.

10/23/2011 5:25:07 AM

Thrutch

And you might well ask "How can I trust you with women if you do not pray?" Just look at the amazing prayer-driven, Newt. 3 women judged he was a safe pair of hands

10/23/2011 5:28:30 AM

Sadhuman

I swear there was something in the American constitution about no religious test for a president...Hmmmmm.

10/23/2011 5:34:44 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

And I would ask you, Mr. Gingrich, how can I trust your judgement after you cheated on your wife while she was dying of cancer?

10/23/2011 6:05:04 AM

TGRwulf

The American constitution and the Treaty of Tripoli say otherwise.

10/23/2011 6:24:08 AM

breakerslion

Oh man, this is too easy.

"...I frankly would be really worried if someone assured me that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments ..."

On this we would agree. In my opinion, having faith is an admission that one's judgment is impaired, or one is a charlatan playing the game and conning the gullible. Either way, I have a problem with that.

"...because then I'd wonder--how can you have judgment if you have no faith?"

Since having faith by definition requires one to suspend judgment, your understanding of faith is obviously faulty.

"How can I trust you with power if you don't pray?"

On the other hand, how can I trust someone with power who believes that they can influence an omniscient super-being and control events by whining, wheedling, cajoling, and/or sniveling, groveling and begging at it? Answer: I'm forced to.

"Who you pray to, how you pray, how you come close to God is between you and God, ..."

Only when what you do doesn't affect the quality of life for the rest of us. Gott Mit Uns!

"...but..."

Always a "but" with you guys.

"... the notion that you're endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary on what we mean by "America."

Endowed: to furnish, as with some talent, faculty, or quality; equip: Nature has endowed her with great ability.*

If you believe in such things, to be endowed means to be given. It's yours. No need to go back to the well, you already have it. Such language contains no requirement to pray or give thanks, that's personal.

It's a shame only dolts like this one are considered electable.

Edit: * Dictionary.com

10/23/2011 6:37:08 AM

Bollox

It ain't gonna be you, Newt. Siddown.

10/23/2011 6:40:41 AM

Giveitaday

Now, I happen to think that none of us should rush in judgment of others in the way in which they approach God.

Translation: Let agree to only question the faith of those who don't belong to the republian party.

and I frankly would be really worried if someone assured me that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments

Because that part of the constitution where it says "there shall be no religious test for office or public trust" doesn't really count, is that what you are trying to say Newt?

because then I'd wonder--how can you have judgment if you have no faith?

And yet millions of atheists manage just fine. Whereas far, far too many theist think that it is their god given right to to play judge, jury, and executioner to the whole world.

How can I trust you with power if you don't pray?

In with that one question you show for all the world that you would just as soon shit on the US Constitution than uphold it.

Who you pray to, how you pray, how you come close to God is between you and God

Whether a candidate prays or not is nobody's business but the candidate himself. The Constitution could not possibly be more clear about that.

10/23/2011 6:45:08 AM

Canadiest

This type of shit used to almost non-existant or at least those who wore their religion as a running benifit got nowhere. Huckabee was, I think the only one who spoke the same at secular, national events as he did at his heartland church events. Huckabee always failed at that level.


Gingrach, Palin, Bachman and that lot used to talk two different games from local to national. It's sad to see this crap working on both arenas now

We've seen the folly of trusting this inherent faith guise with the tea-party canidates that recently got in, they ran campaigns promising economic solutions, when they got in they started dismantaling workers rights, introducing religious mandates and funneling money towards churchs and the rich (the same thing too often)

10/23/2011 6:53:38 AM



I don't know what you mean by "America" Newt, but what it means to me is laid out in such documents as the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They set out actual boundaries on what America "stands for". The caveats you mention are not in there.

10/23/2011 6:56:58 AM

Darwin

"How can I trust you with power if you don't pray?" How can I trust someone to lead a country if he's willing to let it be lead by something else?

10/23/2011 6:57:58 AM

Doubting Thomas

I often wonder if I can trust people who say their religious faith wouldn't affect their judgments, but not for the same reason Newt does. But at least that's better than those who say that their faith will be their primary guidance in public office.

10/23/2011 7:25:57 AM

Murdin

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

United States Constitution, article VI, paragraph 3



u mad?

10/23/2011 7:28:16 AM

John

I frankly would be really worried if someone assured me that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments, because then I'd wonder--how can you have judgment if you have no faith?

Note the word game he's playing: how does "nothing in their faith would affect their judgments" = "have no faith"? A person's faith may teach them that the Pope is infallible, but still not want the Pope making decisions for the American people. It doesn't mean they don't have faith. It just means they recognize that not all 300 million Americans who are affected by the government have the same faith as Newt.

10/23/2011 7:52:02 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

"how can you have judgment if you have no faith"

These... are... not... related.

"How can I trust you with power if you don't pray?"

Again, not related.

"but the notion that you're endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary on what we mean by "America.""

Stop misappropriating the Declaration of Independence, especially to conflict with the 1st Amendment.

10/23/2011 8:02:38 AM

nazani14

I just don't really care how the founding fathers imagined the future of America. There certainly would have been no room in their world for me, a single mom and a veteran. They didn't even want me to be able to vote, so why should I pay any attention to their ideas on religion?

10/23/2011 9:16:04 AM

Papabear

Yeah, how can you depend upon the judgement of someone who doesn't believe in things not supported by evidence? How can you trust someone who doesn't seek guidence and comfort from a fictional character from ancient fairy tales?

My creators were my parents. They set no boundaries on what we mean by "America."

P.S. I'm certain you and I have very different views of what is meant or should be meant by "America."

10/23/2011 9:35:37 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Now, I happen to think that none of us should rush in judgment of others in the way in which they approach God. And I think that all of us up here, I believe, would agree. But I think all of us would also agree that there's a very central part of your faith in how you approach public life, and I frankly would be really worried if someone assured me that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments, because then I'd wonder--how can you have judgment if you have no faith? How can I trust you with power if you don't pray? Who you pray to, how you pray, how you come close to God is between you and God, but the notion that you're endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary on what we mean by "America."

And as a British Atheist, I'm sure you'd agree, Salamander, m'boy, that the above is a bit rich, coming from a multiple divorcee, in a country whose Midwest & especially Bible Belt states' divorce rates are 1 in 2. So no double-standards & hypocrisy on your part, nosiree. [/Doug Piranha-levels of sarcasm]

10/23/2011 9:53:36 AM

Apatheist

Because no religious person EVER abused their power, no never!.

Wait, those catholic priests, well there goes that idea.

10/23/2011 9:57:18 AM

TacticalGrace

What the fuck is this shit?

10/23/2011 10:21:08 AM

J. James

Fuck off, Newt. You're not exactly a gleaming pillar of Christendom. I'll take an atheist over you any day of the week and twice on sunday.

"How can I trust you with power if you don't pray?"

You can trust 'em because they use compassion and logic to make their decisions, not arbitrary bullshit that can be interpreted however you fucking like.

10/23/2011 10:25:43 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

I DON'T want leaders who pray. I want leaders who have enough sense to realize prayer is a waste of time and who actually DO something.

10/23/2011 10:30:41 AM

whoanelly

How can I trust you if you do pray if you make prayer such an issue and a qualifier to hold office? How do I know you're not a militant theocrat?

Oh, Newt. The thing that makes me saddest about you is that you're an educated man who is supposedly very intelligent. And yet you STILL talk out of your ass.

BTW, I was reading a magazine (forget which one) that did a special on each Republican candidate in college, and apparently Newt dropped out and switched colleges so he could marry his tenth grade Geometry teacher. Ew.

EDIT: But to each his own. I don't want to sound too much like an intolerant fundie railing against two consenting adults in love.

10/23/2011 10:35:33 AM

aaa

Do you really want to know how politics work? Then, let me tell you something. You aren't cut out for any of that shit. Seriously, you should leave politics to people who know how to run things efficiently.

10/23/2011 10:39:07 AM

Headache

Yeah - Newt want the United Saudi America with religious ruling!

10/23/2011 10:55:00 AM
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