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At least three people in London with HIV have died after they stopped taking life saving drugs on the advice of their Evangelical Christian pastors.

The women died after attending churches in London where they were encouraged to stop taking the antiretroviral drugs in the belief that God would heal them, their friends and a leading HIV doctor said.

...Jane Iwu, 48, from Newham, east London, described one case, saying: "I know of a friend who had been to a pastor. She told her to stop taking her medication - that God is a healer and has healed her."

"This lady believed it. She stopped taking her medication. She passed away," said Ms Iwu, who has HIV herself.

.. the Synagogue Church Of All Nations (SCOAN), which has UK headquarters in Southwark, south London, may be one of those involved in such practices.

The church is headed by Pastor T B Joshua, Nigeria's third richest clergyman, according to a recent Forbes richlist.

When approached by BBC London, leaders of the church described themselves as Evangelical Christian pastors.

The church's website, which was set up in Lagos, Nigeria, shows photos of people the church claims have been "cured" of HIV through prayer.

In one example, the church's website claims: "Mrs Badmus proudly displays her two different medical records confirming she is 100% free from HIV-Aids following the prayer of Pastor T B Joshua."

"HIV-Aids healing" is listed on the church's website among "miracles" it says it can perform.

"Cancer healing" and "baby miracles" are also advertised.



SCOAN, BBC News 66 Comments [10/30/2011 4:46:08 AM]
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Raised by Horses

"Yeah, I know, the victims chose to believe their dumbfuck pastors. But still, this makes me furious."

Indeed. You lead a mentally incapacitated person into the middle of traffic, who is to blame when that person gets hit by a car?

This asshole should be in jail, plain and simple. Good thing for him that he's armored himself with religion, otherwise he'd be getting a first hand lesson in why you shouldn't drop the soap.

10/31/2011 1:33:52 AM



Lolsuits incoming in 4...3...2...1

Everyone sane enough we have a liftoff

10/31/2011 2:42:47 AM

dionysus

I see a lot of people saying that the victims shouldn't have fallen for it but they don't seem to understand the power faith has over people. They've been conditioned to absolutely, unquestionably believe in god and that their clergymen are the agents of this god. They are trained to trust these fuckers from birth. As such, the full weight of the guilt lays with the clergy who lied to and scammed these people out of their lives, betraying the trust that was ingrained in these victim's heads. It's the same as a doctor prescribing cyanide to a patient and telling the patient that it's as a medicine.

10/31/2011 5:40:34 AM

Darlene

@ dionysus

No, it's the same as someone who claims he's a doctor, with no proof to back it up, giving someone cyanide (and telling them it's cyanide), then telling them it will cure their illness instead of killing them horribly. If the "patient" takes it, it would still be their own fault that they died.

These people aren't mentally incapacitated- they're just dumb. And belief in a higher power isn't an excuse for being dumb (though it may be a symptom) If this were one of those cases where a Christian Scientist parent got their child killed because they listened to their church and didn't get the kid medical attention, people here would have no trouble realizing it's the parent's fault the child died. This is no different.

10/31/2011 6:40:02 AM

Gypsin

baby miracles... deargod please don't let them be taking away children's medicine... or going near children at ALL.

10/31/2011 2:03:18 PM

N. De Plume

So why do you have to stop taking your medicine before God can heal you? Is this medicine like an iron chariot or something?

10/31/2011 3:34:40 PM

Adrian

@Gypsin
I think that "baby miracles" refers to curing infertility. At least I hope it's that...

Of course, even then it remains pretty disturbing, particularly depending on how exactly Pastor Joshua and his cronies go about providing that "miracle". At best they take credit for any conception that happens and blame it on the lack of faith of their victims if none happens, at worst....

11/1/2011 8:32:10 AM



This makes me want to kill people.

11/1/2011 2:18:14 PM

Big One

Never trust medical advice from Nigeria, concerning viagra or HIV therapy.

11/3/2011 8:57:28 AM

Saringuy

and they keep saying religion doesn't hurt...

6/5/2012 9:31:29 AM

Destiny

In name of our lord Jesus christ all things are possible including HIV healing is possible in the SCOAN. All u need is your faith to believe. I personally testifyed the power in the name of Jesus christ working in the spirit and manifest physical for you to see. DESTINY KOGI STATE NIGERIA.

7/25/2012 9:36:54 PM

Destiny

In name of our lord Jesus christ all things are possible including HIV healing is possible in the SCOAN. All u need is your faith to believe. I personally testifyed the power in the name of Jesus christ working in the spirit and manifest physical for you to see. DESTINY KOGI STATE NIGERIA.

7/25/2012 9:42:26 PM

Justanotheratheist

So it's okay for these charlatans to claim that god will heal the sick, but let a pharmaceutical company falsely claim that it has invented an instant cure for Aids or cancer and see what happens.


7/26/2012 1:40:01 AM

Ebon

Sadly, the most that can be done to the church or it's clergy under British law is bringing them up on false advertising charges. And even that's not a sure thing. Carlsburg got away with calling themselves "probably the best lager in the world" so if there was some kind of wiggle-room in what they said, it's likely that the law is helpless.

7/26/2012 6:08:27 PM

Mark Poe

So this is God's tender mercy... and we should worship him why?

1/17/2013 9:27:46 AM

GigaGuess

@Mark Poe

But it's God's tender mercy maknig it so she doesn't have to live a life with AIDS.[/fundie]

Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. God, it hurts to try and think like that.

1/17/2013 11:18:08 AM
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