Quote# 84502

I currently work as a paramedic. When the need arises, I must be able to provide sufficient care to any patient, or be able to refuse patient care if I deem that the area I'm in isn't safe enough. While working a few weeks ago, a lady had fallen, fractured her pelvis, broke a leg, had internal bleeding, and I had to treat her accordingly.

While treating her at her home, I was making small talk with her in an effort to ensure that she felt safe. She eventually laid back and asked if I was a church going person, to which I replied truthfully that I wasn't. This upset her so much, that she refused care from us any longer. She said,"I don't want a dirty athiest to be near me". Legally, if someone without any type of altered mental status refuses care, I cannot provide it. I asked her again, her family, and my medical director in attempts to change her mind, and I informed her of the circumstances. She still refused, so I had to get her to sign the proper documentation and then I left.

Shoot forward two days, and I learned that this woman had died due to internal bleeding, and cardial failure caused by the extraneous bleeding. At this moment, I feel extremely guilty because I was supposed to be caring for her. I didn't think it would be that much of a problem to her, knowing her provider at the moment wasn't a follower of religion. Now, I have to go to court for it. Her husband is attempting to sue(it won't go through since I have all the proper documents and followed proper protocols. Also, the Good Samaritan Laws help)since he thinks I'm the reason she passed.

Seriously? This is one of the reasons I think people shouldn't take on a religious belief. Not only do I have to go to court, but I feel extremely guilty this happened over a trivial matter.

anonymous fundie woman, reddit.com 116 Comments [10/26/2011 3:30:24 AM]
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Not your fault dude. If the woman refused care, there's not anything you can do about it.

Sadly people do make life and death decisions based on religion.

10/26/2011 6:32:01 AM


"At this moment, I feel extremely guilty because I was supposed to be caring for her. I didn't think it would be that much of a problem to her, knowing her provider at the moment wasn't a follower of religion. Now, I have to go to court for it. Her husband is attempting to sue(it won't go through since I have all the proper documents and followed proper protocols. Also, the Good Samaritan Laws help)since he thinks I'm the reason she passed."

Get yourself a good lawyer and sue him into oblivion. Sauce for the Goose, and all that jazz, if he thinks he has the right to be litigious for unjustifiable reasons. Make an example of him. Impress upon other fundies like him that they use the law for their own nefarious purposes at their peril.

Three words: 'Act of God'.

I suggest you cite the example set in the Billy Connolly film "The Man Who Sued God".

Moral: Everything that happens is according to God's will. Is it not, fundies?! >:(

You always claim that you are 'In this world, but not of it', do you not? And isn't the legal system an extremely worldly thing eh, fundies?

10/26/2011 6:41:57 AM

Cid Highwind

So that chick was literally Too Dumb To Live, eh? The dude shouldn't feel guilty, it's her own fault, let's just hope she had no kids so a) they won't have to suffer because of her idiot behaviour and b) so her stupidity wasn't passed on to them.

10/26/2011 6:59:33 AM


Ya makes yer choices and ya lives (or dies) with em. She was an adult, an idiot adult, but an adult none-the-less.

10/26/2011 7:16:20 AM

J. James

The woman died. Not your fault. Then her husband decided to sue. What an asshole. Don't feel bad about it, they screwed you over.

If it makes you feel better, imagine she was dangling from the Grand Canyon and, rather that taking help from you, let go and fell to her death. You aren't responsible at all! And furthermore, fuck her! She's horrible, doing that to you, making you feel guilty! And her husband can go fuck himself as well.

Also, I second the Darwin Award nomination.

10/26/2011 7:18:44 AM

Smurfette Principle

Credibility issues notwithstanding, how is this different from any fundie who:

1. Would refuse a lifesaving transfusion (or any other procedure) because their interpretation of the bible prohibits it?
2. Would refuse treatment because their caregiver is gay

Or, for that matter, a white supremacist who would refuse treatment from a black person?

We know that these people exist...

1. It's different because their beliefs actually say "don't do this." There is nothing in the Bible that says "refuse treatment from atheists."
2. No difference.
3. No difference.

What's your point?

10/26/2011 7:33:25 AM

Godless heathen

This guy is clearly not in the wrong here and I sympathise entirely. I don't have any sympathy for the late anonymous fundie woman however - maybe she didn't believe (or missed the point of) the "good Samaritan" story.

The paramedic guy shouldn't feel guilty over this but I guess it's hard not to, and any attempt to sue him strikes me as pointless and vindictive.

10/26/2011 7:52:32 AM


Dear Paramedic!

Thank you for doing a great job saving people. Sorry, you now got in a situation where you have to defend your actions in court. I'm sorry you feel guilty over not helping, but there is only one thing I can tell you: You can't fix stupid!
Don't feel guilty. You did the best you could. If you had helped her and she survived, she'd sue you for helping!
I hope you feel better soon, guilt is a heavy thing to carry around!

Again, thank you for helping people. Your job is stressful enough and you should not be burdened with stupid people!

My best wished, The Pilotess

10/26/2011 8:01:51 AM


Wow. She was happier with dying than letting a non-christian help her? That's some fucked up prorities there.

10/26/2011 8:04:50 AM


I am constantly amazed at how much abuse people heap upon medics and cops, and how those same medics and cops keep on doing their jobs without going mad.

Thank you for doing that, however you manage it.

10/26/2011 8:35:10 AM


That whole family sounds like it needs to be pruned from the tree of life. I just hope they didn't have kids.

10/26/2011 8:40:20 AM

This is why I like to lie about being an atheist, people are skittish enough. Though in my case there was a fundie nurse who's been aggressive since he found out so that's all the more reason to lie.

10/26/2011 8:42:32 AM


Don't blame yourself. You were doing your job and an idiot screwed things up using religious bigotry. And honestly, since you were just doing your job and didn't intentionally refuse to treat the fundie bigot, the case will probably end in your favor.

10/26/2011 9:32:31 AM

Thinking Allowed

The paramedic having proper paperwork was a good thing. The patient chose not to have medical attention thus it is no fault of the EMT.

10/26/2011 9:48:55 AM


Not your fault. She let her prejudices decide. You wanted to help her.

10/26/2011 10:00:28 AM


Don't feel guilty, you gave it your all and she refused treatment because of her religious delusions.
If I had my way, religious impairment such as this would automatically disqualify someone from making life and death decisions, even for themselves, in emergency situations.

10/26/2011 10:22:47 AM


I work as a paramedic myself. Altered mental state is actually defined as inability to recall identity, location, or time. Like if you are with Mr. Smith in downtown Seattle today, and they say that they are anyone else, anywhere else, or anytime except the contemporary or unconscious. You are able to do such under "implied consent."
It was her own foolishness that led to her demise, help was offered to her, and she was told what would happen if she continued down her choice. Nothing one can do, like they say you can lead a horse to water but can't force them to drink.

10/26/2011 10:38:17 AM


Wow, that's messed up. Dumbass people and their bigotry. Good luck dealing with that mess, buddy.

10/26/2011 10:41:59 AM


If the paramedic had continued to treat the fundie against her wishes, then the fundie would be suing the paramedic for assault. If the enforced treatment had been unsuccessful and the woman had died anyway then the paramedic could be facing even more serious charges. It isn't the paramedic's fault at all that this has happened.

10/26/2011 11:01:40 AM


My heart goes out to you, paramedic. You are a wonderful person. Don't let people like that ruin your self-image.


It's not. Such people are also idiots.

10/26/2011 11:02:18 AM


a not-so shining example of evolution in action.

10/26/2011 11:13:37 AM


I just hope that there wasn't anyone who needed and wanted your help while this lady was making her Last Stand For Righteousness.

10/26/2011 11:14:30 AM

Joe Mama

I don't mean to be callous at the death of another human being, but this lady got exactly what she deserved.

I'm reminded of a satirical radio PSA I heard years ago about a guy down in a hole and refusing to let anyone help him if they were gay, black, etc. He decided to stay in the hole until someone just like him came by to help. Some people you just can't help, and I hope this EMT realizes she was just a stupid, bigoted woman and is able to let go of any guilt.

10/26/2011 11:15:19 AM


Has nothing to do with religious beliefs, I'm a card-carrying Catholic & if I was injured I wouldn't give 2 shits if a "damn, dirty atheist" wanted to put his/her hands on me.

10/26/2011 11:18:22 AM

Old Viking

She expired from brain death. The body simply followed.

10/26/2011 12:14:47 PM

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