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Not until the 1960s did courts begin to use the Fourteenth Amendment to impose a concept of equality that the authors of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers, and the Gettysburg Address never believed in. Before the 1960s, equality meant every citizen enjoyed the same constitutional rights and the equal protection of existing laws. Nothing in the Constitution or federal law mandated social, racial, or gender equality.

Pat Buchanan, Suicide of a Superpower 52 Comments [10/27/2011 2:56:00 AM]
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Serph-no-Okami

Soooo... equality for every citizen doesn't mean equality for every citizen regardless of gender, race of social class. So he's implying that not everyone qualifies as a citizen. Unless it is convenient to do so.

Damn fundie doublethink, makes my head hurt.

10/27/2011 2:59:11 AM

fmitchell

So, when the Klan killed some black kid for making eyes at a white woman (to take a wholly random example), and the murderers were acquitted by an all-white jury despite boasting of the crime, the kid enjoyed equal protection of existing laws? And he had no need for social, racial, or gender equality? (Because he was dead, I guess.) Thanks, Pat, for clearing that up.

BTW, thanks for the Insane Troll Logic by declaring social equality and legal equality utterly unrelated. Because throughout history, groups with power have *always* upheld the legal rights of groups with no power at all. White Man's Burden, am I right?

10/27/2011 3:13:04 AM

Extraintrovert

What the actual fuck

10/27/2011 3:37:02 AM

Mudak

Well, nothing in the constitution requires an informed electorate, either.

Got to admit, though, that would be nice...

10/27/2011 3:54:13 AM

Dawn

What? Wait, WHAT?

"Before the 1960s, equality meant every citizen enjoyed the same constitutional rights and the equal protection of existing laws. Nothing in the Constitution or federal law mandated social, racial, or gender equality."

Wow. Someone has really internalized 1984 and doublethink. Uh, Pat, Orwell meant it as a cautionary tale, not a rule for life. (Either that, or Pat is really Humpty Dumpty, for whom words mean only what he wants them to mean.)


10/27/2011 3:54:22 AM

Sadhuman

What the hell...so equality for all..means not equality for all?

Just how does your damn brain fucking work?

10/27/2011 3:57:46 AM

rebel

Please return to elementary school so you can learn what equality means.

10/27/2011 4:03:16 AM

Percy Q. Shunn


10/27/2011 4:06:52 AM

Mister Spak

If equal protection does not mean racial or gender equality, I'd like to hear your definition of equal protection.

*Gets ready to submit another quote to FSTDT*

10/27/2011 5:06:34 AM

Raised by Horses

Evidently, Pat Buchanan's knowledge of history doesn't reach any further back than 'Leave it to Beaver'.

Also, this. (3:20 onwards)

10/27/2011 5:09:17 AM

dionysus

Um, how do you protect people equally without racial, social, or gender equality? Seriously, I want to know by which universe's logic is discriminating against certain groups the same as protecting everyone.

10/27/2011 5:24:01 AM

Tardis

Someone has failed U.S. History – The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 after the abolition of slavery, which was legal up to that time period, and after the authors of all of those listed documents were…well…dead!

Additionally the 14th was first used in the supreme court in 1880 (Strauder V. West Virginia) and again in 1886 (Yick Wo V. Hopkins). But my bet is that Mr. Buchanan is really pissed about the most famous case of Brown V. Board of Education in 1954.

10/27/2011 6:06:43 AM

Bollox

Pat wants slavery back?

10/27/2011 6:14:40 AM

N. De Plume

Okay, someone with the amount of Cognitive Dissonance required to insist that Equality ? Equality is beyond help. Not that Pat was likely to have much of a chance to begin with…

10/27/2011 6:53:42 AM

COVIZAPIBETEFOKY

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

Some men are just more equal than others.

10/27/2011 6:54:36 AM



Is this that "Wink & Whisper" racism I've heard about?

10/27/2011 6:58:59 AM

Doubting Thomas

to impose a concept of equality that the authors of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers, and the Gettysburg Address never believed in.

*dumfounded look* So, then what was that talk about "all men created equal" stuff about?

Before the 1960s, equality meant every citizen enjoyed the same constitutional rights and the equal protection of existing laws. Nothing in the Constitution or federal law mandated social, racial, or gender equality.

So, I'm guessing your definition of "citizen" means white Christian males, right?

10/27/2011 7:02:05 AM

Papabear

How about the line about "all men being created equal?" That, at least, takes care of social standing and race.

10/27/2011 7:14:39 AM

TGRwulf

Translation: "Only people who agree with me should have equal rights."

10/27/2011 7:29:59 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Nothing in the Constitution or federal law mandated social, racial, or gender equality."

I'm no Professor of Constitutional Law, but what I can say is this: If the Constitution's rights & protections under the law don't apply to absolutely everyone, ergo, they apply to no-one.

Enjoy your Atheist country, Pat (and Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life). The constitution - by your own logic - if it guarantees Freedom of Worship - ergo, by definition it guarantees Freedom from Worship.

Why does the Establishment Clause demand a 'Separation of Church and State', yet the Constitution doesn't so much as have word one of even a 'Creator', never mind mention the words 'God' or 'Jesus' therein? You tell me, Pat.

Ergo, if Liberals, Blacks/Latinos/Asians et al, and LGBT people are exempt from the rights put forward in the US Constitution, you and your ilk don't even have the right to believe in a 'God'. Q.E. and D., bitch.

Like I say: enjoy your Atheist country. Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life, I'm looking at you.

I love the smell of arguments blasted out of the space-time continuum in the morning. Smells like... victory.

10/27/2011 7:34:55 AM

Thinking Allowed

Um Pat... just what do you think equality means?

10/27/2011 7:57:08 AM

Dan Onymous

Wait, people who have a social class, race or gender aren't citizens?

That doesn't leave many people...

10/27/2011 8:11:06 AM

Brendan Rizzo

...Except that "every citizen enjoy[s] the same constitutional rights and the equal protection of existing laws" MEANS "social, racial, [and] gender equality". I honestly cannot figure out how the two are different. The fundies are not even trying anymore, are they?

10/27/2011 8:30:07 AM

Berny

Except that in practice there was no equality if you weren't a white, Anglo-Saxon, protestant, male.
You're talking through you ass again Pat.

10/27/2011 8:58:07 AM

Osiris

I'm going to repeat this three times.

We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL

We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL

We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL

10/27/2011 9:37:31 AM
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