Quote# 84508

Not until the 1960s did courts begin to use the Fourteenth Amendment to impose a concept of equality that the authors of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers, and the Gettysburg Address never believed in. Before the 1960s, equality meant every citizen enjoyed the same constitutional rights and the equal protection of existing laws. Nothing in the Constitution or federal law mandated social, racial, or gender equality.

Pat Buchanan, Suicide of a Superpower 52 Comments [10/27/2011 2:56:00 AM]
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Nick O'Teen

Generally, I like Pat, but yeah he's out there on this one.

10/27/2011 9:40:09 AM


Some people are more equal than others says Pat.

10/27/2011 9:45:50 AM


I knew Buchanan was messed up, but I never knew he was THIS bad.

Blacks did NOT enjoy equality at all before the 1960s (maybe a select few in the north, IF they were lucky).

10/27/2011 9:50:18 AM


I'm not an American but even I understand that the constitution is not supposed to be a document which is fixed forever but is subject to amendment by subsequent generations, that new legislation can be introduced by democratically elected representatives and voted on.
After all, in 1776 you were a small, agricultural country with a small elite of merchants and lawyers and a bunch of slaves, on the eastern seaboard. Things have changed A LOT since then.

10/27/2011 10:05:58 AM


I very rarely say this, but...WAT.

10/27/2011 10:25:03 AM


The 14th Amendment was added long after the Founding Fathers were dead and buried. It was not intended to further the concept of equality as envisioned by them. That's why it's called an "amendment". It was added after the Civil War to prevent the Confederate states from using state laws to accomplish what they failed to do by seceding.

10/27/2011 11:33:51 AM


Treaty of Tripoli, bitch.

10/27/2011 12:22:47 PM


What the fuck are you smoking?

10/27/2011 12:49:55 PM


Pat Buchanan means he and his ilk are more equal than anyone else.

10/27/2011 1:14:56 PM


10/27/2011 1:54:00 PM

Old Viking

You must work very, very hard to say something this dumb.

10/27/2011 2:53:13 PM


That's...actually kind of true. In that though the founders largely had Enlightenment ideals these sorted oddly with their other standards and less theoretical principles, and nobody did expect actual equality to start with.

The problem here is that you think this means there is something wrong with their ideals being carried to their conclusion.

10/27/2011 4:17:43 PM


Pat, you are so "Animal Farm". All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

10/27/2011 5:31:25 PM

Raised by Horses


That declaration was just a little bit tainted when it was first written, though.

Of course, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to uphold it today.

10/27/2011 7:00:03 PM


Stop wanking about the founders. They were products of their time, just like we are products of ours. People in the future will (hopefully) think it crazy that we didn't let gay people marry for so long, or that we didn't think women being in control of their uteri was a good thing, or that black people were less than white people.

Most of us relize that they were often wrong (cause they were humans), and them being "founders" of a new country doesn't mean that they weren't.

10/27/2011 7:21:38 PM


Every citizen except the poor, the blacks and the females? Ancient Athens was slightly more progressive than you, at least they weren't racists.

10/27/2011 9:50:53 PM


Did you even GO to a school? Did you ever read a history book?

10/27/2011 11:25:14 PM


WTF does he suppose "every citizen enjoyed the same constitutional rights and the equal protection of existing laws" means if not social, racial or gender equality?

10/28/2011 7:39:25 AM


Is he advocating the reimposition of slavery?

10/28/2011 1:09:05 PM


Sooo....every citizen enjoying the same rights and equal protection doesn't mean that every citizen enjoys the same rights and equal protection?

10/28/2011 2:29:26 PM

Yeah before then they kept using it to push Corporation Personhood.

10/28/2011 5:03:21 PM

@Raised by Horses

Yeah and the only reason they even had those shows was because the Hay's code forced them to hide anything bad in the closet so people still truly believe the 50s were uptopian.

10/28/2011 5:05:28 PM

If I remember right, the first ammendment was...........freedom OF RELIGION, maybe?

10/29/2011 8:09:34 AM


Whyyyyy did I have to go read the other quotes?

10/29/2011 11:11:23 AM


I can't get over this asshole's racism under the guise of "tradition."

10/29/2011 2:08:35 PM

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