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[re: the lack of knowledgeable scholars working on the Conservative Bible Project]

The Greek and Hebrew languages are well understood and readily available to any internet user. In this electronic age a laptop and a browser are superior to (and fast than) the finest Greek/Hebrew scholar. Some may wince at that observation, but it's the same reason that sales of the Encyclopedia Britannica declined and Borders has gone bankrupt.

The real challenge to a Bible translation today is the ever-changing English language into which the Greek/Hebrew must be translated. English terms like "peace be with you" are constantly changing their meaning and a good translation has to have enough political savvy to react to liberal and atheistic biases that creep into language. See liberal creep!

The objection to the Conservative Bible Project is like saying an engineer should not try to build a bridge unless he first becomes a master in trigonometry. That objection doesn't work, because the trigonometry is well-understood and modern challenges in building a good bridge have little to do with sine and cosine functions.

The CBP stacks up favorably against any academic translation out there. You can pick a few verses, and so will I, and I bet CBP is better.

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Andy Schlafly, Conservative Bible Project 173 Comments [10/27/2011 2:57:16 AM]
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Rob

As a language instructor, I have seen many assignments which are the product of the machine translation schlafly is promoting. Here's an example:

"Disney directed many of feature length film; example is 'Snow White and Several Midgets'"

I fully endorse the Conservative Bible Project. I think it's a wonderful way to create a version of the bible in which the stupidity of the writing matches the stupidity of the ideas.

10/27/2011 10:39:44 PM

Swede

All internet users understand ancient Geek and Hebrew? Seems I'm way behind, then.
I only have the most fleeting knowledge of a few Greek words, and that ancient Hebrew didn't use vowels.

The objection to the Conservative Bible Project, using your metaphor, is that the brigde is already built, but you're trying to build a new one at the same spot.

What is "better" when you're talking about religion and the Bible?
Doesn't it say somewhere in there that he who adds or subtracts to/from the Bible will end up in Hell?
Have fun down there, Andy-Pandy!

10/27/2011 11:17:14 PM

Anon

>>Rob

I fully endorse the Conservative Bible Project. I think it's a wonderful way to create a version of the bible in which the stupidity of the writing matches the stupidity of the ideas. <<

Hey - the Bible has some good ideas. "Love thy neighbor" is an excellent one.

Of course, Schlafly's bible seems to be removing a lot of the good material ...

10/27/2011 11:25:15 PM

Mihangel apYrs

Amusing though Shitfly is, his project is quite dangerous.

In due course, his "re-interpreted" bible could become a text for certain rightwing and powerful fundies - in their churches and in their politics. I imagine he's finding ways to refocus away from condemnation of hypocrisy and wealth accummulation at the expense of others, and focus on sexual sin, not following orders etc, etc. That is, giving the rich and powerful validation and even more authority, while beating up gays and women, esp women who have sex outside marriage or need an abortion.

Once they manage to bury KJV and its derivatives they can bring in the "new" interpretation of God's word (God the capitalist, that is!) as the way the US of Jeebusland should be run.

10/27/2011 11:49:03 PM

Bollox

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I wouldn't worry about it, dude. Assfly has very little influence or standing even among the batshit fundie community. He's far more well known by snarks like us and RationalWiki than he is among conservatives or Christians, and those who do know of him tend to regard his re-write project as borderline blasphemous.

10/28/2011 12:41:54 AM

Pioneer

Well, I bet that the bible translated by Google Translate would be hilarious. I'd buy one.

10/28/2011 3:10:05 AM

MarylandBear

@Mihangel apYrs:

In due course, his "re-interpreted" bible could become a text for certain rightwing and powerful fundies - in their churches and in their politics.


Not gonna happen. When news of the project hit the intertubes, it was met by scorn across the board. Even World Net Daily was aghast at the idea; I think Joseph Farah of WND basically said, "they're letting their politics drive their religion, and it should be the opposite."

To be fair, Farah at least borders on KJV-only. Maybe not completely, not like the "it's God's perfect translation" types, but he pretty obviously thinks it's the best by far.

10/28/2011 5:20:41 AM

Philbert McAdamia

If you like Mark Twain there is a French translation of his Jumping Frog story, which he retranslated back into English.

http://www.angelfire.com/nb/classillus/images/jumping/jumping.html

Way before the intertube translators and Babelfish. A fun read.

10/28/2011 6:35:34 AM

Anon-e-moose

@MarylandBear

"@Mihangel apYrs:

In due course, his "re-interpreted" bible could become a text for certain rightwing and powerful fundies - in their churches and in their politics.


Not gonna happen. When news of the project hit the intertubes, it was met by scorn across the board. Even World Net Daily was aghast at the idea"

Like I say, if Andy Schaftafly has nothing to be afraid of, what's to stop him from publishing his CBP and making it available to the public via bookshops? If he's so secure in what he claims about such; that he's right, and everyone else is wrong?

The fact he hasn't to date, speaks more volumes than the Complete Oxford English Dictionary and Encyclopaedia Britannica put together. So, Andy - what are you afraid of? Your dried-up dessiccated old harpy of a mother Phyllis should be able to find a willing right-wing publisher & distributor, nay, fund the same for her precious little boy, as she has so much faith in you.

Just as you have faith in whatever you say being right eh, Andy?

Yeah. You're so right. And therein lies the problem. With the emphasis on Lies.

Moral: The fact you haven't published your CBP in actual book form proves that you don't have any faith in your 'Faith', Andy. The phrase 'Publish and be damned!' exists for a reason. As do the titbits of Scripture, Revelation 22:18-19; and you know it. Don't you, Andy Schaftafly?

Or just scared that your CBP in book form would end up on the shelves of the Humour section* of bookshops, to say nothing of Pat Robertson tearing you a new one, doctrinally on his "700 Club" eh, Andy?! KJV, and all that jazz...! >:D

*- At the other extreme, "The Bible according to Spike Milligan" is a fun read, and a perfect parody. But of course, via his "Goon Shows"/"Q" series (the latter in particular had a direct influence on "Monty Python"), the late great Spike is effectively the inventor of modern comedy as we know it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/According_to_Spike_Milligan#The_Bible.E2.80.94the_Old_Testament_According_to_Spike_Milligan

10/28/2011 6:50:52 AM



If you had ever seen a real translator working, you'd know you're full of shit.

10/28/2011 7:31:51 AM

Jeff Weskamp

Above and beyond the linguistic knowledge of Schafly and his associates (of which they have none), the main probelm is the fact that any respectable scholar would immediately call them out on their preconceived biases. They've already reached the conclusion in advance that modern Bible translations are inaccurate because they do not conform to their conservative political beliefs. Therefore, everything they produce will be contaminated by confirmation bias.

10/28/2011 8:17:19 AM

matt3839

"The objection to the Conservative Bible Project is like saying an engineer should not try to build a bridge unless he first becomes a master in trigonometry."

I'm guessing that this is that kind of religious nut that's never had to work a day in his life.

10/28/2011 8:21:29 AM

His4Life

I am a conservative and I think your CBP is a pile of crap. You have taken it upon yourself to rewrite God's words to fit your own understanding - that is blasephmy and God will judge you for it. I would fear for my soul if I was you.

10/28/2011 8:27:38 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life

"God will judge you for it. I would fear for my soul if I was you."

Matthew 7:1, dearie. Oh, and not forgetting this little titbit of your own 'Word of God':

Revelation 21:8 (KJV; emphasis added): 'But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.'

Considering your previous track record, re. breaking the 9th Commandment, whilst still claiming to be 'Saved', I'd say that no amount of 'Grace by Faith Only' nor 'OSAS' is going to save you from the fate you condemned 'spinach man' Prof. Stephen Hawking to, claiming to speak for God himself, nay, judging on his behalf, when Matthew 7:1 and Revelation 21:8 says you don't even have the right to so much as think about doing so.

James 2:14-26 KJV, and all that jazz...!

So, speaking as someone who isn't going to 'take it up the butt for eternity', as you've unjustifiably claimed - many times - in the past, I'd say, re. your soul, dearie...:

Be afraid. Be very afraid. >:D

Moral: To ensure that final trip is upward, if I were you, I'd stop with the unjustifiably right-wing judgemental attitude of yours, as well as the lying, and start being the meek, humble, non-judgemental, unopinionated, turn-the-other-cheek, introverted, reserved, left-wing, hyper-tolerant, James 2:14-26-esque Christian Jesus ordered his followers to be. Rather like the Quakers, for example. They don't bother anyone, they're not bothered by anyone.

Thus is why they're not quoted here in FSTDT. You do the maths, Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life.

10/28/2011 9:36:15 AM

Xotan

"The Greek and Hebrew languages are well understood"

Correction. 'reasonably well understood'. For example, there is nobody who really understands the Greek word used by Paul: 'Arsenikoitoi'. That doesn't stop bigots trying to force the meaning of 'homosexual' onto it.

And then in Hebrew, the injunction against letting a witch live - much used for burning people alive! - is probably a mistranslation of poisoner.

It might be of interest to note that the Greek language that is spoken today is a descendant of Koine (Bibilical) Greek. But it has changed down the centuries. And the Latin that is spoken today (outside of the Vatical) is known variously as Italian, French, Portuguese, Catalan, Occitan, Romanian etc. None of these are really mutually comprehensible , although Spanish, Italian and Catalan are close enough to get a general understanding from one to the other, with patience and slow talking.

As to language and bridges, there is no link between linguistics and engineering.

The only way to get a modern version of any ancient text is to go back to the original and render it in the current version of whatever language you wish.

And unless, dear Andy, you fluentyly speak Ancient (certainly NOT modern) Hebrew and Greek, then you have no idea what you are talking about.

10/28/2011 12:41:34 PM

tmarcl

@Atheissimo:

Here's modern Hebrew, from Google Translate:

Languages, Greek, Hebrew are available and clearly understood all Internet users. In this age electronic Notebook superior browser (and faster) the learned Greek / Hebrew best. Part of the contract in May this observation, but it's the same reason that sailors of the Encyclopaedia Britannica had rejected the boundaries of business.

10/28/2011 1:31:40 PM

tmarcl

It's actually surprising how much "liberal bias" he seems to have kept. "Blessed are the peacemakers" is still there. So is "turn the other cheek."

10/28/2011 1:35:10 PM

tmarcl

@Gloria

Trig is "well understood" in part because it's expected that by he time you get out of highschool, you will understand the basics. That you apparently think it's an obscure specialised field says a great deal about your homeschool "education."

Actually, that's not necessarily the case. Trigonometry wasn't taught in high school when I went (I graduated in 1992), and I went to public school. I do know that my nieces and nephews had at least a basic understanding of trig, and the oldest graduated in 2007. Since Andy is about 13 years older than me, it wouldn't surprise me that he didn't have trigonometry in high school, either.

Granted, he does have a certificate in Engineering physics from Princeton (according to wikipedia), which would suggest to me that he should know something about bridge building (I'm assuming it includes trigonometry, because I have next to zero knowledge about either subject).

10/28/2011 2:05:48 PM



@tmarcl

It's actually surprising how much "liberal bias" he seems to have kept. "Blessed are the peacemakers" is still there. So is "turn the other cheek."

Hmm, that depends on how you see it.

"Blessed are the peacemakers" could mean that the conservatives are praying to their true object of intense devotion:



On the other hand "turn the other cheek" sounds suspiciously like something that might be said during homosexual butt sex, so that would indeed not be something they would want in their Bible. ;-)

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@tmarcl

Trigonometry wasn't taught in high school when I went (I graduated in 1992), and I went to public school.

Where on earth did you go to school? I went to public school too and I had trig in 11th grade. That was 1974/75.

10/28/2011 2:25:26 PM

Psycho Tits

How...how can anyone be Andy-level stupid and still have enough brain-cells to breathe?

This is seriously...what...?

Why is he even pretending with the translation. He can just do what Peterson did and produce a paraphrase of the Bible based on others' modern translationa. That would be more honest than what he's trying to do now.

10/28/2011 2:32:59 PM



So now English has a liberal bias? Seriously? A language. Has political bias. Medication, Andy. If everything (including a language) seems to be proving you wrong at every turn, it's probably because YOU ARE WRONG you dumbfuck.

10/28/2011 2:41:00 PM

Night Jaguar

"So now English has a liberal bias?"

Andy could find "liberal bias" in the ingredients on a cereal box.

10/28/2011 3:10:55 PM

dfmfundies

@ tmarcl

"'Blessed are the peacemakers' is still there."

I think this is the "peacemaker" he's thinking of:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-36-end.htm

10/28/2011 7:38:35 PM



Panagia mou, sigoura den milaei oute anglika(in Greek, Jesus Christ, I bet he doesn't speak even English!!!)

10/29/2011 8:07:24 AM



Uh... I would most DEFINITELY not want to walk or drive on a bridge built by someone that couldn't do math...

10/29/2011 3:46:59 PM
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