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[re: the lack of knowledgeable scholars working on the Conservative Bible Project]

The Greek and Hebrew languages are well understood and readily available to any internet user. In this electronic age a laptop and a browser are superior to (and fast than) the finest Greek/Hebrew scholar. Some may wince at that observation, but it's the same reason that sales of the Encyclopedia Britannica declined and Borders has gone bankrupt.

The real challenge to a Bible translation today is the ever-changing English language into which the Greek/Hebrew must be translated. English terms like "peace be with you" are constantly changing their meaning and a good translation has to have enough political savvy to react to liberal and atheistic biases that creep into language. See liberal creep!

The objection to the Conservative Bible Project is like saying an engineer should not try to build a bridge unless he first becomes a master in trigonometry. That objection doesn't work, because the trigonometry is well-understood and modern challenges in building a good bridge have little to do with sine and cosine functions.

The CBP stacks up favorably against any academic translation out there. You can pick a few verses, and so will I, and I bet CBP is better.

[Emphasis added]

Andy Schlafly, Conservative Bible Project 172 Comments [10/27/2011 2:57:16 AM]
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you go Andy ! clean up the foul liberal content of the most Holy Book and return it to its original conservative values. Smite the ungodly and use "the best of the public" to assist in this amazing project. Perhaps "teenage insight" could be called on to resolve disputes.
Godspeed Andy ...

10/29/2011 5:00:14 PM



lets never forget that Andy has both a Degree in engineering and a Law degree both from real colleges.


10/29/2011 5:06:50 PM

Brianisha

All I understood was conservative and creep. The rest.....garbage

10/29/2011 5:10:52 PM

SpukiKitty

Can't wait to see "The BabelFish Bible". It'll be a scream!

In fact, that'll be my name for The Fly's literary exercise in stupidity: "The BabelFish Bible".

I can see it sold in the "Humor" section amongst Dave Barry, Stephen Colbert & Mike Nelson....humor IS the best medicine, after all!

10/29/2011 7:13:36 PM

Anon-e-moose

@tmarcl

It's actually a mistranslation, based on a mishearing. It should read:

'Blessed are the Cheesemakers'

[/"Monty Python's Life of Brian"] X3

Besides, we all know what is the only credible Bible Translation Project:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCat_Bible_Translation_Project

Free of dog bias. =^_^= :3

10/30/2011 10:37:06 AM

Really?

As a foreign language student, I assure you the only thing Google Translate is good for is a spell check. And it's the best online translator I've found.

10/31/2011 4:19:02 AM

His4Life

Anonemoose, I see that I have annoyed you. Maybe I have and if so I'm sorry. However, you are off base concerning the Quakers. They do not even use the Bible in their services. As someone who believes the Bible is the word of God, I would not join a group like that.

10/31/2011 6:03:10 AM

Lizardfolk

Doesn't the bible, you know, expressly forbid editing it post-revelation?

10/31/2011 6:25:05 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life

"They do not even use the Bible in their services."

So? Makes them none the less Christian. But infinitely more so than the likes of you. James 2:14-26 proves they are. And you're nothing more than a Scripture-cherry picking Paulian masquerading as someone who claims to be 'Saved'. When Revelation 21:8 & the 9th Commandment proves that you're not - and never will be - until you change. Completely.

"As someone who believes the Bible is the word of God, I would not join a group like that."

As someone who knows that Jesus doesn't even so much as mention homosexuality, never mind word one of condemnation of such in the New Testament (go ahead. Prove me wrong; direct wording - no parable or metaphor allowed, 'I hate homosexuality!' - Jesus), your own unjustifiable - certainly baseless - bigotry as demonstrated here:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=84542&Page=2

is a prime example of why Quakers will never join the extremely un-Christian right-wing Fundamentalist Christians. Just. Like. You.

Because they know you're not - and never will be - Christians. In word, action, and thought.

"Anonemoose, I see that I have annoyed you."

And you have proven yourself true to your real screename: Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life.

You don't see Quakers even thinking about behaving the same way. Do you, dearie?

1 Timothy 5:13 (KJV; emphasis added): 'And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.'

"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business."

-Jesse Ventura; ex-politician, ex-actor, ex-wrestler and ex-Navy SEAL

The prosecution rests.

...oh, one more thing: didn't you say here:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=82696&Page=5

'I am done conversing with you.'

Seems that you're a glutton for verbal punishment, then. Or you're merely wishing to maintain your (in)famous reputation here in FSTDT, as per your real screename: Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life. Or merely emphasising the 'Nuts' this time, eh? Or (again) proving what a liar you are. Remember: if you're what you claim to be, then I refer you to 1 Timothy 5:13; and as before, Matthew 7:1, Revelation 21:8 and the 9th Commandment.

Otherwise, not only are you proving you're not a Christian, despite your claims to the contrary (when your own Word of God says otherwise; like I say, James 2:14-26), you're proving 1 Timothy 5:13 - and we at FSTDT re. your real screename right. And therefore it's not we Atheists who are going to Hell. >:D

...and in before 'I don't understand you!', yadda-yadda, ad infinitum ad nauseam. That excuse has worn out it's welcome. And - via 1 Timothy 5:13 - so have you.

10/31/2011 9:49:52 AM

BrianX

SpukiKitty:

You know, I'm pretty sure you can download the masoretic text and dump it through Google Translate yourself...


10/31/2011 12:54:34 PM

BrianX

Oh, never mind, here's the Book of Genesis. Good luck with that...

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=iw&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fourmilab.ch%2Fetexts%2Fwww%2Fhebrew%2FBible%2FGenesis.html&act=url

10/31/2011 1:01:12 PM

His4Life

Depends on how you interpret the Bible. I believe God speaks through the entire Bible (not just the NT) and I believe that Jesus is God. So when the Old Testament condemns homosexuality, or one of Paul's epistles condemns it, I take that as Jesus speaking.

10/31/2011 5:41:27 PM

His4Life

And to answer your question, yes, Atheists are the ones going to hell, to spend eternity having their putty holes plugged by the devil. Have fun, creep.

10/31/2011 6:42:23 PM

Stormwarden

But His4Life, don't you know that God LOVES Atheists? They don't pray for him over the stupidest things, they won't try to kill each other over barely habitable tracts of land, and that they don't twist his word to justify the unjustifiable? I'll say it: Satan was the real hero of the Bible (JSYK, to me, the Bible's pure fiction to begin with, and so's the Torah and Q'uran, and bad fiction at that. I treat the three Abrahamic faiths the same, because they come from the same basic source. Get the fuck over it, nutcase).

And Jesus? He disobeyed Daddy. He didn't die for our sins. He died to tell his Dad to go fuck himself. But then, I wager you don't read your holy book. I bet it has such a thick layer of dust on it that the dust is starting its own space race.

It's your book, your rules, YOU burn in hell, Fubar4Life.

10/31/2011 7:13:47 PM

Steven Mading

In addition to the idiot saying that trigonometry isn't needed by an engineer making a bridge, also consider the sheer ignorance shown by the implication that trig is somehow, not only unnecessary, but also some strange arcane hard thing to bother learning. Uh.. no. It's pretty much the first baby step out of plain pure algebra toward calculus. He may as well have said the engineer doesn't need to know what a fractionis, or a negative number, or something as basic as that.

10/31/2011 9:21:37 PM

Steven Mading

In addition to the idiot saying that trigonometry isn't needed by an engineer making a bridge, also consider the sheer ignorance shown by the implication that trig is somehow, not only unnecessary, but also some strange arcane hard thing to bother learning. Uh.. no. It's pretty much the first baby step out of plain pure algebra toward calculus. He may as well have said the engineer doesn't need to know what a fractionis, or a negative number, or something as basic as that.

10/31/2011 11:25:05 PM

Night Jaguar

I just love how Andy manages to be such a complete fundie and heretic at once.

11/1/2011 2:06:42 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life

"Depends on how you interpret the Bible."

So you admit that the Bible isn't the literal 'Word' of God', to be obeyed, word-for-word, letter-for-letter, cover-to-cover. Literally.

Well, I guess that explains why right-wing fundies are so fond of picking those Scriptural cherries. They have to. Because Matthew 7:1, Revelation 21:8, James 2:14-26, 1 Timothy 5:13, and the 9th Commandment are the doctrinal traps that exposes them as the lying, hypocritical, nonChristians they really are. In word, action and thought.

And you've just fallen into that trap, which is essentially of your own making. Like I say: find for me just one quote here in FSTDT by a Quaker. Go on. If you're so sure you're not a lying, hypocritical fundie; that you're different, nay superior to them, beliefs-wise.

Remember the quote by Mohandas K. 'Mahatma' Gandhi? (emphasis added):

'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

It exists for a reason. You - and all your ilk - are the very people he was talking about.

...oh, and God told me that it's not we Atheists who will be going to Hell, but you right-wing fundies - for not obeying Matthew 7:1, Revelation 21:8, James 2:14-26, 1 Timothy 5:13, and the 9th Commandment word-for-word, letter-for-letter literally, and daring to try and 'interpret' your way out of such, when you have no right to whatsoever. When it's the likes of the Quakers who do.

He also said that he's changed his mind completely*; the Bible is all bullshit that has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the 21st Century, we Atheists (and non-fundies as a whole) are all forgiven, and we don't need to 'believe' after all. It's only you right-wing Fundamentalist Christians (& Islamist extremists) he hates nowadays.

He loves LGBT people, left-wingers, and generally anyone who don't act like complete dicks to everyone else. His only conditions for getting into the afterlife?: Treat others as you would want them to treat you. Commit acts of gratuitous kindness. As you would expect to be tolerated, thus be tolerant of others. Live and let live [/Amish & Mennonites, Quakers, Unitarian Universalists, Buddhists, Sufi Muslims, Humanists]. God's words (to me), not mine.

He told me so himself. And who are you to dare question His will, His unknowable, perfect plan? Prove me wrong, Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life.

...although I can't actually prove that this happened. But then of course, as you'll understand only too well dearie, who needs proof, when you've got 'Faith'?

*- Who says that he can't? He is Omnipotent, after all. As in he can do anything...!

Because you know the faith/belief/religion-destroying implications of when you try to say that he can't, nay, it's impossible for Him to change his mind...! >:D

11/1/2011 9:57:33 AM

His4Life

That's fine if you want to believe that, Moose. Enjoy living in your fantasy world.

11/1/2011 7:31:22 PM

SeekerLancer

I wonder if Andy has constructed himself a bunker to protect himself from the zombie liberal hordes that exist in his imagination yet.

11/2/2011 6:00:12 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life

"That's fine if you want to believe that, Moose. Enjoy living in your fantasy world."

Well, there you have it. Proof that fundies in the US have no concept of irony.

But on the other hand, your 'faith' is based on actual Reality, based on testable, falsifiable, replicatable, and thus provable evidence, pray tell...?



Oh no more, please Mr. Wilde, I am bereft of ribs! I'm afraid the likes of "A Brief History of Time" and "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence For Evolution" means that your mere 'book' doesn't count for shit these days. Least of all in late 2005, when in a certain court case...:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District#Decision

The Conservative Christian Judge John E. Jones III acknowledged that facts trump 'faith'. As a result, the law says so too; Romans 13:1-5, and all that jazz.

In the Texas Hold 'Em game that is Reality, the dealer shows A, K, A, Q, K. You just have a pair of threes. I - and every Atheist on the planet - have a pair too. Of Aces.

So no, you are the fantasist.

And then Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life was a failure at life. Especially a schizophrenic and proven hopeless pathological liar.

Can't deny facts dearie. Least of all that there isn't an 'Afterlife'. Prove me wrong, dearie. And no, the Bible - which is completely baseless - doesn't count. Only evidence allowed.

No evidencee, no believee. As exampled by Kitzmiller vs. Dover, even a Christian like you had to acknowledge facts, based on cold, hard, solid evidence. Then you wonder why - in this increasingly secular world, your light is dying. And you [i[know[/i] it.

...oh yes, that's right. You fundies are reduced to this form of denial known as 'religious faith' to protect you from the cold, hard reality of the only Truth:

'We're all gonna die.'

-Billy Sole (Sonny Landham), "Predator"

'Religious faith' The ultimate fantasy world.

No thanks. I prefer Reality And like we Atheists, you fundies will end up like leftover pizza: cold, clotted and stuck to the bottom of a box. Only, one of us is willing to accept Reality.

So you think that an 'afterlife' is what our 'souls' will go to, even though a book which can't back up even one of it's claims with evidence is fine? And the likes of you - fundie Dominionists - want everyone else to live in this fantasy world, by force if necessary, thus your continued and unjustifiable use of 'Turn or Burn'? (certainly your anal fixation, dearie!)

And I'm the one who lives in a 'fantasy world'? Am I the one claiming that what the Bible says is fact? Like I say: fundies in the US have no concept of irony. You've just proved it.

11/2/2011 9:20:46 AM

His4Life

There is plenty of evidence and I have shared some of it on the boards before, but you're not open to even discussing it. What about the empty tomb of Christ? Where did Jesus' body go? Why hasn't anyone ever found it? How do you explain that in your worldview, moose?

And please stop with the 'anal fixation' nonsense. I am totally against the practice of sodomy. I won't even do it with my husband. It's in the Bible; if you have a problem with what the Bible says, you will need to take it up with the Author, not me. I didn't write the Bible; I just follow it.

11/3/2011 6:09:31 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life

"There is plenty of evidence"



"And secondly, I think we must admit that the discussion of these disputed points has no tendency at all to bring an outsider into the Christian fold."

- C.S. Lewis

'Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived.'

-Isaac Asimov

"And please stop with the 'anal fixation' nonsense. I am totally against the practice of sodomy."

What about all those times you've given us all that 'hope demons take you up the butt for eternity', or words to that effect many times here in FSTDT? So in future, you're not going to say such again - ever? Or are those just more examples of your schizophrenia, nay, dissociative identity disorder, when you posted as a - albeit same screenamed - alter ego? After all, your claim to have not being another poster who did so under your name are well known to us:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=74017&Page=3

Two words: IP trace. I refer you to GigaGuess's comment, dearie.

Mental handicap is so pitiful. Especially so in the case of right-wing Fundamentalist Christians. With the emphasis on...!

Fundie religious 'faith' The ultimate mental handicap. Three words: Joan of Arc (and what she experienced then is diagnosed today as Schizophrenia). There are people out there with far worse psychological afflictions, who have a much better grasp of reality.

(emphasis added):

'A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.'

-Friedrich Nietzsche

And neither can you, nor your ilk; certainly to the satisfaction of we Atheists. Not without completely destroying your 'beliefs' and 'faith', that is, when you realise that you can't, and never will. Ergo, Atheism. Q.E. and D., dearie.

(*awaits further cliche'd threats of 'Turn or Burn' via use of, for example (quote): 'Enjoy having a demon's finger up your butt for eternity, bitch', or words to that effect. Her own form of anal fixation*)

11/3/2011 9:55:22 AM

His4Life

That's not an "anal fixation." I'm just telling you what Scripture says. The Book of Daniel says that the unsaved will be sodomized on judgment day.

11/3/2011 6:42:06 PM

Professor M

@ His4Life --

None of the texts which your Bible is composed of actually talk about "Judgment Day" in the sense that you use it. Christian eschatology is built from a toss-'em-in-a-blender re-reading of the whole collection, particularly Daniel and the Revelation of John, entirely out of sequence and chosen by means which are completely nonsensical if you don't already assume what these choices purport to "prove".

In other words? You're reading shit out of order and insisting that your batshit jumping-around is the only real way to read.

11/3/2011 8:21:01 PM
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