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[re: the lack of knowledgeable scholars working on the Conservative Bible Project]

The Greek and Hebrew languages are well understood and readily available to any internet user. In this electronic age a laptop and a browser are superior to (and fast than) the finest Greek/Hebrew scholar. Some may wince at that observation, but it's the same reason that sales of the Encyclopedia Britannica declined and Borders has gone bankrupt.

The real challenge to a Bible translation today is the ever-changing English language into which the Greek/Hebrew must be translated. English terms like "peace be with you" are constantly changing their meaning and a good translation has to have enough political savvy to react to liberal and atheistic biases that creep into language. See liberal creep!

The objection to the Conservative Bible Project is like saying an engineer should not try to build a bridge unless he first becomes a master in trigonometry. That objection doesn't work, because the trigonometry is well-understood and modern challenges in building a good bridge have little to do with sine and cosine functions.

The CBP stacks up favorably against any academic translation out there. You can pick a few verses, and so will I, and I bet CBP is better.

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Andy Schlafly, Conservative Bible Project 173 Comments [10/27/2011 2:57:16 AM]
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Hmmm, what was that bleating in the background? Must be a mendacious, trolling, mentally handicapped retard with what she thinks is an 'opinion', who's so secure in her 'beliefs' that she doesn't care about this site - and clearly hasn't read her Bible - otherwise she'd know about this titbit of Scripture:

Matthew 10:14 (KJV; emphasis added): 'And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.'

Indeed, as per her quote 'why should I care?', and also 'what is your thing with Quakers?', the same can be asked of her, What is your thing with FSTDT, if you don't care?

Well, there you have it. Proof that she's a psychologically afflicted attention seeker; also:



"I think I'vebeen on this board too long."

...a liar.

Matthew 10:14. Also 9th Commandment & Revelation 21:8. After all, why is she here? What is she trying to prove?

...oh yes, that's right. Except for proving that - like her - God has an anal fixation too (thus annihilating that part of Leviticus the likes of her rely on, to try and justify their unjustifiable anti-LGBT bigotry), she can't. And never will. Matthew 10:14 dearie, Matthew 10:14.

11/10/2011 7:43:01 AM


How does it invalidate Leviticus? It doesn't say sodomy is a good thing; it says it's shameful. Also, it's not a verse about homosexuality.

11/11/2011 5:58:53 AM


What was that bleating in the background, Brain_In_A_Jar? Must be a trolling monomaniac (like I say: mentally handicapped) self-admitted 0-IQ retard who doesn't understand anything, least of all her own Bible.

But then, for a so-caled 'deity' therein who is so fixated on people being punished in such a way - which contradicts what he ruled against in Leviticus, only serves to conclusively prove that not only is he a hypocrite, he gets off on the mere thought of such happening to others; as do some of his followers. Otherwise, he'd never give such a second thought, nor even mention it in his Holy Writ, for fear of being thought of a Monomaniac, nay, obsessed with such.

God is so far in his own closet, he's prancing gaily with Aslan & Tumnus, whilst wearing a T-shirt with a design of an artwork by homoerotic artist Tom of Finland on such.

But then, by being a hypocrite (condemning homosexual acts one second, yet, revelling in the thought of such - as do some of his followers - the next), a la one particular follower:

Proves that he's a contradiction to himself, therefore he doesn't exist. And Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life is just a sad, pathetic, mendacious, retarded, mentally handicapped troll, who can't justify being here, nor her so-called 'beliefs' that have absolutely no right to exist.

...in the mindsets of normal, sane people, that is. And that mindset is growing in number. The light of fundie religion is dying. And they know it.

...oh, and speaking of contradiction, Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life has just contradicted herself, by admitting that if homosexuality is just 'shameful', in the same way that owning slaves wasn't shameful in the Bible, but is considered worse than shameful today, then the Bible - and therefore God (who never condemns slavery in such) - is worse than Evil. Therefore he has no right whatsoever to be judgemental in any way, when our own morality - in not only condemning slavery but making such illegal - proves we are more than infinitely superior to him.

...but then, by definition, I am more than infinitely superior to him. At least I exist*.

And if it's not 'about homosexuality', then she's just contradicted her & her ilk's whole justifications for being anti-LGBT. If it's merely about what is supposedly 'shameful' - and attitudes change (remember: slavery) - then her mere 'opinion' about what certain consenting adult people do in private is even less invalid; nay, with homosexuality becoming more & more accepted, said 'opinion' can't possibly justify it's right to exist, as it's seen more & more as unjustifiable bigotry.

Bigotry against people just because of their skin colour wasn't considered shameful, once upon a time. So I wonder why the same about certain peoples' lifestyles is allowed to exist...?

...but legislation that effectively forces acceptance of such people is putting a stop to those attitudes. Good. The Civil Rights Movement years ago certainly did so for another set of people.

God never condemned slavery in the Bible. Slavery is Evil. Bigotry is Evil. Legislation that destroys such unjustifiable evil is proof of our more than infinite superiority. That which is evil has no right to exist.

Hitler hated one certain athlete in the 1936 Berlin Olympics. He used slaves as labourers. He arbitrarily exterminated people for the crime of existing. He hated homosexuals.

He was a Christian; also a right-winger:

God hates homosexuals. As do his fundie followers. Who are Christian. And right-wing.

[/Reverse Godwin]

So many good people died in WWII to ensure such bigoted attitudes, nay, 'opinions' about what is & isnt 'shameful' have no right to exist.

*- Oh, and if you want further conclusive proof of the nonexistence of God, Brain_In_A_Jar, look no further than:


As demonstrated by the mentally handicapped Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life, the above example emphasises this quote (emphasis added):

'A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.'

-Friedrich Niezsche

Nor does 'faith' in a book of fairytales, neither. One that's non-peer reviewed (by independent, non-theological, secular scholars, thus eliminating philosophical/doctrinal bias), and therefore whatever it says has no right whatsoever to be acknowledged as fact, never mind have the right to claim any kind of validity whatsoever, other than what it actually is: fiction. As further proved by this thread's actual subject matter: Andy Schaftafly's CBP. Chalk one more up to the superiority of Atheist thinking. And thus why Atheism's star is in the ascendant.

11/11/2011 9:27:29 AM


Whoah, whoah, wait a second. The verse does not say that God approves of sodomy as something positive. Sodomy is disgusting. It's described as a humiliating torture in the verse I mentioned. How is that approval of people making a lifestyle out of it?

11/12/2011 6:50:55 AM


I can't wait until the New Testament gets translated into Engrish.

11/12/2011 7:50:21 AM


There's that bleating again. Oh well, it's of no consequence.

Fact: there are heterosexual couples who find anal very pleasurable. And not just the female receiving such, neither. Three words: Strapons. Prostate Gland.

Fact: There are men who find humiliation & 'shame' very sexually stimulating; they even pay good money for the privilege too: Four letters: BDSM

At certain fetish clubs, there are gay men who - in separate section(s) of said clubs - indulge in anal sex with others watching. One word: Exhibitionism.

As for what to expect in a so-called 'Hell', just ask the survivors of napalm bombings in Vietnam. Including that little girl running from her just-napalmed village in that classic photograph. Also, the survivors of Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Who still suffer to this day.

Try telling them that there's worse to come...?

Oh, and I wonder, Brain_In_A_Jar, if our resident mendacious trolling, mentally handicapped retard with her constant combined 'Turn or Burn'/anal fixation revenge fantasy she uses against we 'heathen' Atheists, has ever met & talked with a survivor of the Nazis' ultimate death factory: Auschwitz? I have. Whilst he's Jewish (hence him being in Auschwitz), he told me that - whilst he still doesn't eat pork - he's no longer a practicing Jew. He said that, since the Holocaust started for him & his family/friends who didn't survive, his beliefs were destroyed along with the rest of the Six Million. He endured infinitely worse tortures/humilations/shame at the hands of the SS guards than mere 'Sodomy' could ever inflict upon him or anyone else. As he said to me, 'The Covenant was broken. God abandoned us. He is no longer here.'

He also told me that he no longer fears what's to come. As he told me (quote): 'I have already lived through worse than Hell.'

...as for yours truly, a 'Hell' holds no fears for me, neither:


Being supposedly 'shamed' by a demon for eternity is nothing, in a fiction of a scenario only vaguely suggested in an equal fiction of a book, compared to being eaten by a lion in reality.

Hell, even if Pascal is right, re. his 'wager', I could even get to like it; the Prostate Gland in the male anal area is a major erogenous zone, after all...!

11/12/2011 2:37:37 PM


You're missing the full context. Even if you're part of the small percent of the population that's looking forward to being humiliated at the judgment seat of Christ, keep in mind you'll still be cast into the Lake of Fire afterwards. No turning back from there.

11/12/2011 4:02:19 PM


Oh, there's that bleating again, Brain_In_A_Jar, by our resident mendacious, trolling, mentally handicapped, 0-IQ retard who thinks that we Atheists give a shit about fictional 'threats' based on a work of fiction.

Especially when once considers that there are people who get a sexual thrill out of pain being inflicted on them. And considering how fundies such as Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life think we Atheists are sexually 'depraved' amoral heathens, then surely the fact that sexual 'depravities' surely include masochism, therefore a place of eternal pain would be Heaven to us.

'Demons to some, Angels to others.'

-Lead Cenobite (Doug Bradley), "Hellraiser"

A relative of mine suffers from awful back pain. But he got used to it.

Like I say, considering the example of that fundie dickhead who got eaten by a lion in that zoo in Kiev (1 Thessalonians 5:21, and all that jazz), also the survivors of napalm bombings in Vietnam - to say nothing of those who survived infinitely worse in Hiroshima & Nagasaki; and of course the survivor of Auschwitz I've met & talked with, then a so-called 'Hell' - even a 'contextualised' one - if such a fictional place exists [/Spartan Laconic Wit] holds no fears for me.

Contextually speaking, of course. [/hyper-sarcasm] And I wonder what Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life could possibly say to said Vietnamese, Japanese, and Jew, to convince them that's there's far worse to come for them?!

...but then, of course threats by fundies who think they have the right to force - via psychological blackmail methods such as 'Turn or Burn' - their unjustifiable 'beliefs' on others (as a method of controlling* people) are the last resort of the desperate, delusional...:



'I, the Lord God of heaven, ask the courts to cease the prosecution of my holy ways. There will be a judgment against all those who prosecute the church. ... I shall let all people know of your unjust ways. I will bring sickness and death. Let this cease.' -Warren Jeffs

...and deranged.

But hey, she can't help being a schizophrenic:


...and therefore mentally handicapped, can she eh, the poor dear? Least of all here in FSTDT, the poor, pathetic attention-seeker she is.

I pity the mentally handicapped like her, Brain_In_A_Jar. That's religious 'faith' for you. The ultimate mental handicap. Just ask Andy Schaftafly.

One deluded person = insane. Two or more delusional people = religion.

Being a non-superstitious, reason-based, forward-thinking, logical, sane Atheist. Feels good, man.

Fundies such as Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life can no longer threaten we Atheists. And that's what truly scares them.

We're not threatening. We are releasing a message. [/mega-sarcasm]

...oh, and she's being paged here...:


*- 'Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.'

-Seneca the Younger

11/13/2011 11:23:28 AM


Jesus said that God will destroy both "body and soul" in hell. For your sake, I hope your are a masochist, but even then, there will be things in hell that will torment you if you take perverted pleasure from the pain of being burnt alive. The separation from God and the rest of humanity is torment enough for anyone.

Look up Bill Wiese. 23 minutes in hell. Great book and he has spoken at my church. I believe he's a man inspired by God and there have been no inconsistencies in his account or evidence that contradicts the scriptures. He's been put here to warn others of what is to come.


11/13/2011 3:26:47 PM


More of that bleating. Hmmmmm...!

"23 Minutes in Hell", eh? The survivor of Auschwitz endured far longer - and infinitely worse than that. This so-called Bill Wees' is a wuss compared to the man I met & talked with.

And is clearly as deluded as Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life is eh, Brain_In_A_Jar? The human imagination is a powerful thing indeed.

Whereas the Auschwitz survivor I talked with - and others like him - had wished that what happened to him was just a nightmare.

Like I say, that's fundies for you: deluded, deranged, and desperate to force their unjustifiable 'beliefs' on others, when they have absolutely no right to whatsoever.

...and still no answer from her about what she could possibly say to that Auschwitz survivor I've met; also those Vietnamese napalm & Japanese atom bomb survivors, to make them think that there's worse in store for them...? I wonder why...?

Oh, and Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life should cop for this:


I refer her to the first comment by Brendan Rizzo. Also the pic posted by Percy Q. Shunn.

Like I say: one deluded person = insane. Two or more people sharing the same delusion = religion.

'Torments & tortures of Hell', eh...?! Frankly, being exposed to Vogon Poetry, or have my head nailed to the floor by Dinsdale Piranha, then exposed to vicious sarcasm, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire by his brother Doug is infinitely worse than any so-called 'Separation from (a proven nonexistent) God' or what said Vietnamese/Japanese napalm/atom bomb survivors - or that fundie nutter (both the one making his own Hell, and the other eaten by a lion) - have already experienced. [/Doug Piranha-levels of sarcasm]

...although the sight of whippets' heads being bitten off by a man named 'Kierkegaard' would squick out even God & make him throw up eh, Brain_In_A_Jar?! XP X3 >:D

Oh, and how, I wonder, can 'separation from something that doesn't exist' when he already never existed, be a bad thing, when I already know that said something is a fiction? But then, being the logical, reason-based thinking, sane Atheist that I am, why should I care about not experiencing an unjustifiable delusion called 'faith' in the first place?

11/14/2011 8:24:54 AM


I don't understand what you want me to say about the holocaust survivor, napalm victim, Hiroshima survivors, etc. What is the relevance? If they were here in front of me, the only thing I would say 'to' them is God loves you more than you'll ever know, and I'm sorry for what you've suffered. I would probably embrace them or break into tears.

If you're trying to compare these things to hell, tough, I don't see your point. No matter how horrible the circumstances in life, a person could "escape" by death, and there was always hope that rescue would come. Hell is eternal. There is hope of reprieve and a person cannot even find "relief" through death. So even if you think that earthly circumstances are "worst" than hell, there is no comparison. 23 minutes is not the norm. That man is a Christian who was given a vision. A person who is cast into hell for judgment does not come out again after 23 minutes, 23 days, 23 years or 23 billion years. They are there to stay, sadly.

11/14/2011 6:09:15 PM


There go those bleatings again, Brain_In_A_Jar. Especially that 'I don't understand' one we keep hearing. But then, isn't that an admission of retardation? Thus said bleatings - now & in the future - continue to demonstrate the absolute FAIL of the one making such (only she's not prepared to admit that her 'beliefs' are wrong; least of all her relevance, nay, justifications for being here in FSTDT).

If that Jewish man I'd met who'd survived Auschwitz could hear what she's saying, I doubt anything she could say - least of all about a so-called 'Hell' - could possibly change his mind, re. his beliefs. Or lack of such, during and after his experiences in the Nazis' ultimate death factory

Therefore anything she can possibly say has no relevance whatsoever to anyone else. Reality. 'Fiction'. That Jewish man has lived through a reality infinitely worse than anything that could be conceived in mere films such as "Saw" or "Hostel", never mind a book of equal fairytales.

So how can mere 'fairytales' in a book called the 'Bible' possibly scare we Atheists?

Reality. Fiction. Insanity. 'Faith'. Delusion. Just ask the 909 people at Jonestown. Or those 'Heaven's Gate'-rs.

One deluded person = insane. Two or more people sharing the same delusion = religion.

Atheism = Reality.

Everything Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life claims = Delusion. Try telling the survivors of Auschwitz (and the other death factories; Bergen-Belsen, Treblinka, Dachau, Sobibor etc) like that man I met & talked with - who have similarly purged their minds of any previous religious 'beliefs' as a result of their experiences - that they're wrong, dearie.

That Auschwitz survivor I met and talked with. Like me, he's an Atheist.

Certainly since the Holocaust started for him & his family/friends. Who, unlike him however, didn't survive.

11/15/2011 9:47:02 AM


Sorry to hear about your friend. Is this why you are so angry, anon-e-moose, because of what your friend has gone through? I will pray that God brings emotional healing into his life and that God blesses your friend and his family.

11/15/2011 6:05:29 PM


Hmmmm, more bleating.

Why apologise, dearie? As that survivor of Auschwitz said: 'The Covenant was broken. God abandoned us. He is no longer here.'

Seems that your so-called 'God' didn't give a fuck - for him, least of all his family. All of whom ceased to exist in Auschwitz too.

So why should your so-called 'God' apologise? If he was truly sorry, he'd have never allowed the Holocaust to happen, as per that Covenant. Which therefore proves God doesn't exist. As that Jewish man said. Care to say he's wrong - or dare to?

The delusional '23 minute' nightmare of a mentally handicapped fundie. An equally mentally handicapped fundie who 'believes' that what he claims is 'fact'.


Compared to the years of what that Jewish man - in Reality - suffered in Auschwitz, to paraphrase the film "A Few Good Men": 'Facts'? You can't handle the Facts!

Fact: the Holocaust happened. One particular Jewish man survived. His entire family didn't.

Fact: The above fact proves a 'God' doesn't exist. Prove that Jewish man wrong in becoming an Atheist as a result of his experiences.

Fact: That '23 Minutes' is just a deluded fantasy, nothing more than a nightmare put down into words as a perverted form of 'dream interpretation' therapy. With the emphasis on 'Therapy'. Y'know, how the mentally handicapped are treated.

The '23 Minutes in Hell' author = insane

One deluded person = insane. Two or more people sharing the same delusion = religion.

Fact: Via the above - certainly the example of that Auschwitz survivor - your right to claim the existence of a so-called 'Hell' is invalid. As is your so-called 'beliefs' you base such on, in turn, the religion, nay the book of fairytales such is based on: Invalid.

Like I say: that Jewish man - whilst still not eating pork - isn't a practicing Jew. He's an Atheist. Auschwitz made sure of that. Dare to say his being an Atheist - and the reasons why he's one - is invalid? And thus even dare to think that my reasons for being an Atheist are invalid, however? Do you dare to say to him that he'll go to 'Hell' for no longer 'believing', just as I will, equally?

Yet you dare to say I'm 'angry'? You've never talked with a Holocaust survivor.

My meeting & talking with him was years after the election of Maggie Thatcher (*spit*). The real Antichrist. The main reason for my more than infinite hatred of anyone - or anything right-wing, for what she did to my country

To my knowledge, the US - in WWII - never had so much as one bomb dropped on them by the Luftwaffe, never mind attacked by a V-1 or V-2. By Adolf Hitler. The architect of the 'Final Solution to the Jewish Problem'

The most the US had was Pearl Harbour.

Like I say, re. that Jewish man: 'The Covenant was broken. God abandoned us. He is no longer here.'

Your call, dearie. If you have any shame left, re. your continued unjustifiable use of 'Turn or Burn' psychological blackmail techniques in you even more unjustifiable forcing of your equally unjustifiable right-wing 'beliefs' on others, when you have absolutely no right to whatsoever, and if you want to truly 'apologise' (when your so-called 'God' doesn't even have the guts to do so himself - certainly to that Jewish man), then you won't even reply to this comment. You'll leave FSTDT for good, and never return.

PROTIP: Hitler was a Christian:

'Gott Mit Uns' translates as 'God With Us', for the hard of thinking like you, who don't understand anything.

Hitler was a right-winger.

[/Reverse Godwin]

My more than infinite hatred of everything - and everyone - right-wing, as explained above. Right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity.

You do the maths, dearie.

Here endeth the lesson.

I won't be commenting in this thread again. This is it. And if you have any Shame left, as explained above, neither will you. Or anywhere else in FSTDT, Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life.

One last fact: Atheism doesn't threaten others who don't accept such with eternal torture. And that's the difference. Hitler. God. No difference. Then you wonder why I'm an Atheist?:


It's all bullshit. Lies. Evil.

I've had it with you.

11/16/2011 12:22:23 PM


Yes, I believe your friend is wrong if he is an atheist. God did not break his covenant with Israel. God's covenant with Israel was that the Messiah would come through the Jewish people. He fulfilled his covenant by giving them Jesus Christ as their savior. This promise is just as much a living reality for your friend as it is for you. I am sorry for what he went through. I will sincerely pray for him. I hope he finds peace and serenity in his life.

But, Anon-e-Moose, why are you so angry? You're not a holocaust survivor, I presume? What has happened in your life to make you so bitter? I'm not trying to preach to you or be crass. It's apparent you're unhappy right now. I'm just trying to reach out to you as a fellow human being who has found grace with God. You know, before I came to Christ, I was homeless for a period of time and thought I had lost everything. I even thought about giving up on life. But God restored me and now I have a beautiful marriage, a happy family and am blessed with many good things. Can God work his goodness in your life too, Anon-e-Moose? You've got everything to gain. What've you got to lose?

11/16/2011 6:02:29 PM



WTF? Quakers are pagan? What the heck rubbish are you spouting now?

As someone who was brought up Quaker, they are some of the most truly Christian folks I have ever met - they don't just believe in the whole "God is Love" - they *live* it. Quakers are most definitely Christian, believing in God for sure, and the only reason that they don't use the Bible in 'services' is that they do NOT hold services in the traditional sense. No-one preaches at them - people only speak as they are moved to - but it is nearly always based on some Biblical verse or other. They are encouraged to /think/ about meanings, not blindly accept and swallow what they are spoon-fed.

Now, I am a pagan, and it is very different from Quakerism - other than respect for other people, beliefs, and the planet around us.

His4Life, while I appreciate that you have your strong beliefs, please do not spout what I shall charitably call 'incorrect' tales.

12/17/2011 9:43:35 AM

My my, gotten off topic, haven't we?

12/17/2011 11:47:20 AM


Talmyr, do Quakers base their faith on the Bible?

12/21/2011 6:31:30 AM

Crimson Lizard

Holy crap on a cracker, doesn't this bitch know when she's lost? Anon-e-moose buries her under tons of evidence (and repeats it about ten times for the hard of understanding) and constant repetition of those weak sauce threats is all she can come up with? Talk about refusing to get the point.

And I wish her kind would can the e-psychiatry. Just because someone isn't sucking your god's dick doesn't mean they're unhappy.

6/22/2012 7:08:31 AM

It's the only stupid thing I've ever read, Andrew Schlafly. You're a fucking idiot, why are you so stupid all the time? When I saw some shit that anything else, I guess it is not surprising that you are so shit in linguistics, too.

It's something that I know shit about anything, Assfly there?'s Not even went to a sacrilege what you want to do. The Bible never says that indeed a special place in hell reserved for people Slsctb the Bible to fit their own agenda dime?

The above was translated from English into Hebrew, then back into English, then into Greek, then back into English, using Google Translate. SUPERIOR TO THE FINEST GREEK/HEBREW SCHOLAR!

1/16/2013 11:30:00 AM

Why not just admit that they want to rewrite the bable without the obvious liberal biases(i.e. giving to the poor, not being tough on crime...) of Jay-zed.

1/17/2013 3:36:05 AM

Goomy pls

You know Jegus Chris was a carpenter, right?

Your hostility to trigonometry makes Baby Jebus cry.

4/26/2014 10:28:29 AM

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