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I believe you are right. I remember a similar case in New Mexico, and the New Mexico law made it very clear that “We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service To Anyone” is another way of saying, “I want to go to jail”.

Now, is that right? Absolutely not, and I think any of the Founders would be shocked and disgusted by our nation. That was why, even as a young child, I was confused when the civil rights movement said people had to do business with other people regardless of the desire to do so. Although my parents were strong supporters of full rights for blacks, they also could not imagine a world where a business owner HAD to do business with anyone.

I’ve got a part of my house that could easily be converted into a 2 room apartment, providing inexpensive housing. I will NEVER do so. Why? Because I cannot tell someone, “I don’t want a couple of faggots having sex under my roof.” The moment I said that, I might as well hand over the keys to my house, because when the law was done with me, they would own my house.

See my tagline? That is exactly how I feel.

("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")

Mr Rogers, Free Republic 52 Comments [11/21/2011 4:13:20 AM]
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gravematter

You have a perfect right to be a bigot, but that right ends when it impinges on the freedom of others. Denying people the freedom to be served in the business of their choice is an example of that.
Businesses are not people anyway. They're not allowed to discriminate in who they employ, so why should they be allowed to discriminate in who they serve?
You seem to be longing for the days when "No Coloureds" signs were hung on doors.

11/21/2011 4:39:49 AM

Mudak

Then if you're a firm believer in the free market, you have no right to complain when your business closes and the one next door -- the one that serves everyone -- thrives.

11/21/2011 4:41:35 AM

Bollox

Although my parents were strong supporters of full rights for blacks

Not the right to the same services as were available to whites, obviously. Back of the bus, you.

11/21/2011 5:55:22 AM



Under your roof eh? What if we fuck on top of it?

11/21/2011 5:58:16 AM

TGRwulf

There's no law saying you can't excersise your free speech to be a bigot. What you're talking about though is infringing on people's right just because they're different, which IS illegal.

11/21/2011 6:04:26 AM

Mister Spak

I won't rent a room to freepers.
I won't sell food to freepers.
I won't sell real estate to freepers.
I won't allow freepers in my restaraunt.

Are you starting to see a problem here freeper?
No?

I will not transport a freeper in my ambulance . . .

11/21/2011 6:34:04 AM

Olympiad

Sad, persecuted bastard. Hopelessly trapped... silenced... another slave/victim of the liberal life-agenda-style. My heart breaks for him-- dear God, it really does.

Fuck you, selfish Civil Rights. Look at what you've done.

11/21/2011 6:41:07 AM

clockworkgirl21

Actually, I support this.

Let's let the bigots deny service to whoever they want. That way, we'll find out who they are, boycott them, and put them out of business.

11/21/2011 6:49:03 AM

dionysus

How dare you drag the great name of Mr. Rogers through the mud by associating it with this absolute horse shit?!? Mr. Rogers was a great man who loved nothing more than to educate people, you, on the other hand, are an ignorant parasite who feeds off the misery of others.

11/21/2011 6:52:50 AM

Axel

He has a point. Government really does force people to do business with others when they don't want to. A smart businessman, of course, realizes that money is the same regardless of whom it's from, and natural selection will weed out the bigots over time.

However, it's still their right to be weeded out, and their right to do with their property as they wish without infringing on the rights of others. Their right to their property and conscience trump a desire to get service from their store.

11/21/2011 7:44:53 AM

Doubting Thomas

It's people like this I'd love to see go out of business.

And "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" doesn't mean that you have the right to refuse service to people just because you don't like the way they look or color of their skin.

11/21/2011 7:51:38 AM

Raised by Horses

As Mr. Rogers would say: I like you just the way you are, one in a million.

Now get the fuck out of my neighborhood.

11/21/2011 8:26:15 AM

Anon-e-moose

"I’ve got a part of my house that could easily be converted into a 2 room apartment, providing inexpensive housing. I will NEVER do so. Why? Because I cannot tell someone, “I don’t want a couple of faggots having sex under my roof.” The moment I said that, I might as well hand over the keys to my house, because when the law was done with me, they would own my house.

See my tagline? That is exactly how I feel.

("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")"

Oh, you poor dear. Here (*rubs thumb & middle fingers together*), let me play you 'Hearts and Flowers' on the world's smallest violin, as I post this pic of Alv & Dvergr...:



Then watch, as someone else who equally doesn't give a fuck - in this case about the lifestyles of a section of the community - sees a sudden increase in their bank balance; and on a regular basis, too.

The phrase 'Your loss. Their gain.' exists for a reason. To borrow from the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition:

'Pride and the sack is worth the sack.'

Seems that the ultra-capitalistic Ferengi in "Star Trek" have the right attitude, when it comes to acquisitions, even from those who you might not like. As demonstrated in these two Rules of theirs (emphasis added):

112: 'Never have sex with the boss's sister'
113: 'Always have sex with the boss'

And the Ferengi are a hyper-patriarchal society. Sexist, too. More than you fundies are.

Like I say: 'Pride and the sack is worth the sack'.

--EDIT--

@Doubting Thomas

Nowadays (especially in this current financial climate) that sign in businesses refers purely to their Zero Tolerance policy towards abusive customers; their staff - to say nothing of other customers - have the right to work/shop in a pleasant atmosphere, without the risk of verbal & physical assault, nor offensive attitudes, in word, action and thought.

11/21/2011 8:51:23 AM

tmarcl

You know, as much as an asshole as this makes him, he's got a point. I've never understood the idea that businesses (including landlords) should be required to serve customers that they don't want to. I get that it makes them bigots, but that's their right.

It's very unusual these days to find only one store or only one apartment available for rent, meaning that it's more than probable that one could find a store or apartment that will rent to them.

As for the bigots, they'd more than likely end up with either a very small number of clientele (if any), and quickly go out of business (as someone else pointed out).

11/21/2011 8:51:32 AM

Misterboston

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure you can deny to rent to anyone, even for bigoted reasons, as long as you have less than a certain number of rental units and you live on the premises yourself. I'm pretty sure that's the case.

11/21/2011 9:05:31 AM

OhJohnNo

Mr Rogers, eh?

Yeah, no.

11/21/2011 9:19:56 AM

Brendan Rizzo

You, reactionary fascist, DARE to call yourself Mr. Rogers?! Even if your last name really is Rogers, Fred Rogers was an infinitely-better person than you will EVER be! You do not have the right to his name. Change it immediately.

11/21/2011 9:22:19 AM

Anon

The reason for it is simple, by denying my money, you are impinging on my capitalistic rights to engage in the free market. The sign "We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service To Anyone." Is a polite way of saying if you are a loud and noisy douchebag, the owners can kick you out for that.

furthermore, it also deals with discriminatory hiring, as in, if you can't eat there because you are black, do you really think they are going to hire you?

In addition, business's get certain tax breaks and credits compared to private citizen's and since the citizens are subsidizing the business, they have the right to shop there.

As for the housing issue, it's simple, you don't want certain people in your home, fine, but when you become a business, you play by a different set of rules.

11/21/2011 9:57:21 AM

Philbert McAdamia

"We reserve the right..."

I'm a sign painter. 35 years ago a local bar owner came into the shop and said. "I want to get one of those "I refuse service to anyone" signs." So I made him one like that - word for word. It is still on the wall behind the bar and to my knowledge nobody has ever noticed what it says. I have friends who have frequented this bar all during that time. Noone has ever mentioned it to me.

11/21/2011 10:24:23 AM

Horus IX

I live in New Mexico and the "We reserves the right to refuse service"="I want to go to jail" is bullshit.

11/21/2011 10:38:40 AM

Osiris

I kind of agree with this. Someone who owns a private, non-emergency business should have the right to refuse service to whoever they want. And if you're a racist piece of shit obviously refusing service based on race, then you shouldn't be surprised when everyone is boycotting your store.

11/21/2011 11:03:29 AM

Philbert McAdamia

"We reserve the right..."

I'm a sign painter. 35 years ago a local bar owner came into the shop and said. "I want to get one of those "I refuse service to anyone" signs." So I made him one like that - word for word. It is still on the wall behind the bar and to my knowledge nobody has ever noticed what it says. I have friends who have frequented this bar all during that time. Noone has ever mentioned it to me.

11/21/2011 11:07:15 AM

Anky

This Mr. Rogers sucks.

Real Mr. Rogers makes my heart melt

11/21/2011 12:43:44 PM

checkmate

I was confused when the civil rights movement said people had to do business with other people regardless of the desire to do so.

Damn right. Those nice guys with the pointy white hoods on their quaint folklore robes would have done away with signs like this all on their own, voluntarily, no problem:



The government had no business forcing them.

Mississippi is a model for equality, other places are even better.

(I'm not going to insult anybody here by putting up a [/sarcasm] sign.)

Actually Mr. Bigot-as-bigot-can Rogers is right about one thing: if you want to cultivate your intolerance, bigotry, racism, and hate, don't offer any services to the public.

11/21/2011 1:12:15 PM

Papabear

You don't have to do business with everyone. In a public business you can refuse service to those who are rude, disruptive or a threat, you just can't discriminate against people for race, creed, sexual preference and such.

Renting to someone doesn't allow you legal control over their sexuality. Get over yourself. sit down and shut up.

11/21/2011 1:23:50 PM
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