Quote# 84872

The stay-at-home-daughters movement, which is promoted by Vision Forum, encourages young girls and single women to forgo college and outside employment in favor of training as “keepers at home” until they marry. Young women pursuing their own ambitions and goals are viewed as selfish and antifamily; marriage is not a choice or one piece of a larger life plan, but the ultimate goal. Stay-at-home daughters spend their days learning “advanced homemaking” skills, such as cooking and sewing, and other skills that at one time were a necessity -- knitting, crocheting, soap- and candle-making. A father is considered his daughter’s authority until he transfers control to her husband.

Doug Phillips, Vision Forum 102 Comments [11/21/2011 4:15:32 AM]
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All because she has a vagina? Amazing!

I wouldn't mind learning a few of those skills. Is it OK that I'm a guy, or would my penis just get in the way?

11/21/2011 8:20:19 AM


@Clockworkgirl21: I can relate. Hang in there. :)

11/21/2011 8:22:24 AM

Raised by Horses

And now, presenting the man whose body was perfectly preserved in ice back in the 18th century.

He's having trouble adjusting, if you can't tell.

11/21/2011 8:24:01 AM


"The stay-at-home-daughters movement"

Meanwhile, on Planet Reality...:

Be afraid. Be very afraid.


@Brendan Rizzo

I'm thinking more along the lines of the "Saw" and "Hostel" films. Or the reason why, after seeing the Japanese horror film "Audition"*, I can never watch it again, as my psyche could never handle a second viewing. XP

*- Just watch it, and see for yourself. If - like I say - your psyche can handle it, that is.

11/21/2011 8:35:59 AM


I'm going to ignore the rest of the bile spewed in this paragraph, because others are already commenting on it.

advanced homemaking” skills, such as cooking and sewing,

Cooking and sewing are advanced skills now? Shit, even I can sew a stitch and heat up some macaroni and cheese. It's not that hard.

and other skills that at one time were a necessity -- knitting, crocheting, soap- and candle-making.

To what end, really? Soap is pretty cheap still, and I suspect it'd actually cost more to make your own, rather than go out and by it. As for knitting and crocheting, well, I get that that's a fun pastime for those who like doing it, but to make it required learning when all one has to do is go to Walmart and by cheap clothing?

And candle making? Electricity has been around for awhile. People generally don't read (or work) by candle light anymore.

11/21/2011 8:39:34 AM


What's the betting this guy is just too lazy to do his own homemaking?

11/21/2011 9:00:47 AM


Meanwhile, other people's daughters are going to college and earning degrees in engineering, mathematics, and science.

Guess whose daughters are going to lead the way into the future?

11/21/2011 9:02:37 AM

Professor Smartypants

Clearly this is a deep cover commie plot to stop fundies from becoming a majority and hijacking democracy. Numerous studies have linked maternal education to infant mortality, after all.

Don't I look pretty in my tinfoil hat? I have embroidered it myself!

11/21/2011 9:02:37 AM

Thinking Allowed

Moses called. He wants his laws back.

11/21/2011 9:03:43 AM

Big Jilm

One of my friend's mother was a stay-at-home mom for years. But one day, her husband passed away (only in his 50s) because of all the years of overtime finally wore him out. Now, in her 50s, she has zero job skills.

You might want to rethink your perspective.

11/21/2011 9:05:25 AM

Brendan Rizzo

DIE IN A FIRE! No wait, that's too good for you. Die by being slowly dissolved in nitric acid while being waterboarded while all the oxygen in the confined space you're in leaks out. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for this reactionary attitude in the twenty-first century! These young women will cheer your death, they will.

11/21/2011 9:13:10 AM

Atomic Flamethrowing Vagina

The Quiverfull movement is absolutely sickening. Sickening! I just think that these people so incredibly deluded and uneducated, and they're trying to pass that off as a good thing. I'm a lesbian woman. I'm 18. I'm going to college in one of the biggest cities in the world, working my way towards a degree in either Biology or Biochemistry (haven't decided yet) with a minor in Dance (these people hate dancers, too. Something about dancing being Satanic). I'm going to have a fulfilling life. And I can't help but feel sorry for the girl on the other side of the coin, the one who has been brainwashed into believing that she's less than a boy, that she's not intelligent, and that she's not worth educating. She's never going to have the opportunity to think for herself, not even when it comes to who she's going to spend the rest of her life with. Her life will be empty, because she's been taught having any outside interests or activities is evil. Let me reiterate: I HATE Quiverfull.

@emau99: Exactly!

11/21/2011 9:32:52 AM

I always wanted a woman who could make soap from bacon grease and of course crochet doilies and toilet roll covers.

That last sentance makes the woman seem like property. Can that be what Christians truly believe ?

11/21/2011 9:44:23 AM


@ farpadokly

This one goes right back past the Middle Ages and into the ancient world. How much further is the clock gonna be put back?

They don't believe in clocks. Only sundials.

11/21/2011 9:53:02 AM


Doug Philips - another American piece of shit thinking of himself as a human being.

11/21/2011 10:22:27 AM


I'm simply amazed more women aren't beating a path to your faith, what with your type making breeding drudges out of them.
Surprising, really. </sarcasm>

11/21/2011 10:29:53 AM


Traditional skills are not all bad. In my family, children are almost always taught many traditional skills by our parents and grandparents.

But, see, here's the thing: the aforementioned parents and grandparents? All but four are in full-time employment - and this is out of SIXTEEN people. The non-employed are the grandparents (retired, both were teachers), my aunt Steph (maternity leave) and my aunt Yvette (housewife, 100% her choice). We're not doormats.

We're taught all of these life skills because they're useful. I have dresses that I hand-made myself, and I love them because I know they took effort and I know that they're exactly what I want. I can do basic cooking, I can iron, and I can clean (sorta) - because they're USEFUL SKILLS. But you don't see me as a doormat-in-training, because my family encourage free thought and ambition. These aren't bad things!

The kicker? We're Catholic.

11/21/2011 10:36:07 AM

And lemme guess, you think that feminism is "stifling" freedom for women.

11/21/2011 10:57:58 AM


I've always found that last sentence as really creepy. Basically in this culture a husband is just a surrogate father, but with the twist that the daughter is here to look after her father. It's all messed up and creepy, and what always gets me is how oblivious they are to it.

11/21/2011 11:06:33 AM

Comrade Potatovich

"viewed as selfish"

I thought you right wingers loved Rand?Or is Randroidry reserved for our Lords and Masters, bless their greedy pig-souls?

11/21/2011 11:09:53 AM



And that's a fine choice for you, if you can swing it.

Forcing the girls to do it, on the other hand, not so fine. In fact, downright deplorable.

11/21/2011 11:28:09 AM


This works only if you get a pre-nuptial contract that the house and car is yours, plus money in joint accounts if he leaves or cheats on you.

11/21/2011 12:05:26 PM


Not only is this sexist, it's classist as well. Most working class (and even middle class) women CAN'T AFFORD to stay at home, EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO. They HAVE to have jobs to feed their children. And then you fucks have the gall to call them 'unfeminine' for PROVIDING FOR THEIR FAMILY.


11/21/2011 12:30:31 PM


As a woman who is 27, unmarried and happy that way, daughter of a single mother, who has a bachelor's degree in computer science and a postgrad degree in criminal law, bilingual and working on three more languages, who works for a living and studies for pleasure, I say:

Scared of us women, Mr. Phillips? Be afraid, indeed.

11/21/2011 12:33:27 PM


So she is captive, controlled by father or husband, unable to leave because she can't get a good job anywhere. Good thinking as I bet you have a hard time getting women to stay with you unless you hobble them.

11/21/2011 12:38:00 PM

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