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The stay-at-home-daughters movement, which is promoted by Vision Forum, encourages young girls and single women to forgo college and outside employment in favor of training as “keepers at home” until they marry. Young women pursuing their own ambitions and goals are viewed as selfish and antifamily; marriage is not a choice or one piece of a larger life plan, but the ultimate goal. Stay-at-home daughters spend their days learning “advanced homemaking” skills, such as cooking and sewing, and other skills that at one time were a necessity -- knitting, crocheting, soap- and candle-making. A father is considered his daughter’s authority until he transfers control to her husband.

Doug Phillips, Vision Forum 102 Comments [11/21/2011 4:15:32 AM]
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Philbert McAdamia

@ Doubting Thomas
And sandwich making! You forgot sandwich making.

<Homer> Sandwiches ...Mmmmmmmmm Use both hands!

Soap making;
1) Lye. Any good (Mom&Pop) hardware store
2) Tallow. Not on the shelf, but available if you look around.
3) Potash. Hmmm, somewhat elusive that one.

*sigh* Ahhh, the good ol' days.

11/22/2011 12:19:21 AM


>>Stay-at-home daughters spend their days learning “advanced homemaking” skills, such as cooking and sewing, and other skills that at one time were a necessity -- knitting, crocheting, soap- and candle-making.<<

Let's see how I stack up:

Cooking - learned that from my mother, then from two professional chefs with help from an organic chemist.

Sewing - got taught the basics from my mother and from my father (he's got a lot of practice replacing buttons on dress shirts).

Knitting & crocheting - got taught those by one of my aunts as a way to kill time on a road trip when I was about eight, but I've forgotten how to knit.

Soap making - Ninth grade chemistry lab.

Candle making - Cub Scout camp, third grade. I think it was right after shooting and right before off-road biking.

Three questions:

Unless they mean gourmet cooking or dietetics, or maybe how to do alterations like a professional tailor, how do any of these skills count as "advanced"? And what does "advanced homemaking" mean? Or even "homemaking" - somehow a literal definition doesn't seem to be what they mean.

And why do they feel that men shouldn't know the same skills? My girlfriend likes it when I cook dinner, although she doesn't appreciate my peanut butter cookies.

And where do they get the idea that women shouldn't know more skills? I really like that my girlfriend knows physics better than I do. She keeps catching typos in my papers.

11/22/2011 1:19:01 AM


You disgust me. My mum's side of the family think like this (only not to this extreme.) The last 2 generations are, thankfully, more "westernized." But there are those in my family who think the daughter's love life should be handled by the father. The weird part? Not only do they think women should take care of the house, but also need to be extremely educated. They practically drive their daughters to University themselves.
I am dumbfounded that even though intelligence is something to be celebrated in our family (women included) that they still think women are incapable of running their lives all by themselves.
I am more dumbfounded that the women who have a PHD or a Doctorate of some kind just lay down and take it. Makes me glad that my Dad was the complete opposite, encouraging me to think for myself, although he was a tad overprotective.

11/22/2011 1:28:41 AM


What planet is Mr. Phillips from? Not one with intelligent life, as it seems.

11/22/2011 5:00:45 AM


It doesn't exactly take a lifetime to learn how to cook. Anyone can shove pasta into boiling water and call it a day.

Furthermore, this is insulting to every fucking gender on the planet. Women aren't allowed to think for themselves and only serve men, and if the men screw up, it's the woman's fault. Men, on the other hand, are useless without a woman, because they just can't function without guidance, apparently. Fuck that.

11/22/2011 9:02:31 AM


I think the reason these parents want their daughters to stay home so long is because they need them to help raise their younger siblings. The parents themselves can't keep up with the housework, cooking, and childcare for such large families, so they turn the daughters into unpaid maids/nannies. It's really sad for them and I hope some of them can escape the lifestyle and pursue their own dreams.

11/22/2011 9:39:26 AM



11/22/2011 10:14:17 AM


> and other skills that at one time were a necessity

Ooh, ooh! Tell me! Slide rules?

> knitting, crocheting, soap- and candle-making

Aww, it's not slide rules. Not hot. Because if I want to live in ye olde mediaevale castle, I want to date the hot librarianess/alchemist's apprenticess who knows ye Ways of Ye Olde Slideth Ruleths. Or something.

11/22/2011 10:47:04 AM


Oh well, more electricity for us.

11/22/2011 12:17:57 PM



> and other skills that at one time were a necessity

Ooh, ooh! Tell me! Slide rules? <<

I learned that too. Mostly because my grandfather still had one. The hard part was that he'd used it so much that all of the numbers had worn off. But he remembered where they all were ...

11/22/2011 12:38:32 PM


This makes me rage, but it also makes me sad. I go to a great university. I love it, way more than I ever loved high school. Someone's gender shouldn't preclude them from being educated.

11/22/2011 6:07:19 PM

I would rather buy some soap rather than risk my skin on someones home made lye soap. It really burns if you dont mix it correctly.

Perhaps some lessons in sex ? I would rather not have a very tired wife from soapmaking and smaking laundry on rocks to get them clean.
Song of soloman and the kama sutra perhaps.

11/22/2011 7:02:29 PM

Huh? Soap- and candle- making?

11/22/2011 9:16:02 PM


These idiots might as well base out of Stepford...

11/23/2011 12:09:00 AM


There is nothing about being vagina-ed that dictates your goals and abilities.

I am a married chick who went to college and grad school and hope to work until I drop. I like working. I enjoy my job, I am good at it, I make good money, and travel to fab locations.

Props to anyone who is craft-y. The one time I tried to knit, the yarn square doohickey got smaller and smaller and tighter and tighter until it practically fucking became a black hole. The difference is that you can do all those things and still have an education and a career.

Oh, and you know who made candles in our household? My DAD.

11/23/2011 3:20:17 PM


And what about the women who honestly DON'T want to be quiet, dutiful lil' prairie muffins to be married off by Daddy?

11/23/2011 3:32:39 PM


just fucking sad that people think its okay to brainwash their daughters with this bullshit. just fucking sad.

11/24/2011 3:36:35 AM



Yet again you prove how hyper-appropriate your screename is - especially with that Rogues Gallery of the Right-wing. At the other extreme, however (considering one of your pics in particular):

Barbara Castle:

Whilst having the 'image' of the Antichrist Maggie Thatcher (*spit*)


...she was in fact, a diehard Socialist.

So it's what's inside someone that makes all the difference. And inside Barbara Castle is what makes her more than infinitely superior to those you posted, good sir.

11/24/2011 10:50:59 AM

Plan B if they don't get married?, welfare, maybe?. Sorry, what if they get abandoned by their husband, if he gets in jail, sick and no longer able to work or they die?. Plan B anybody?

11/26/2011 10:14:35 AM


It's dim-witted, backwards, misogynistic, condescending, patronizing, delusional, anachronistic, anal retentive fucktards like you that make me feel embarrassed to be a man.

11/26/2011 7:53:20 PM


In other words, going back a couple of centuries.

11/26/2011 11:00:59 PM

I was watching the other day "como agua para chocolate", you know, the Mexican movie of a girl who has to remain single to take care of her mother(I first read the book)and she sees that the traditional plan, like this idiot, is full of flaws(and,as a holder of a major in History, I can tell you that they're not proudly marching in the 19th century. Nowhere in history the above situation has taken place in a overall way). In the novel, she thinks, If I can't marry and have children, who's going to take care of me?, do they expect me not to outlive my mom?.Same here, if a daughter is unable to marry(according to the whole article, she has to wait patiently and there are a lot of referrences to girls in her late twenties and early thirties that are doing this kibosh), what is the best thing for her, without being a finantial burden?, to die prematurely?. And what about women who can't have children?(same in the novel), who are going to take care of her in the future?. What if the job of the husband or the father can't cover the multiple expenses of the family and he has only girls?, what if they become abandoned, widows or their husbands get unemployed or sick and they can't work?.
Besides, their teaching is a little sketchy and not very practical. Ok, they can cook, but only five or six basic dishes which, in the long run, only serves for keeping that house, and nothing else. Sewing is no longer as useful as it used to be before, since there are multiple outlets which sell clothes at much better quality than homemade and soap and candle making is both costy and useless in case of real necessity. My impression is that those guys have a very idelised idea of the past and they take, like the Amish, modern luxuries for granted.

11/27/2011 6:14:03 AM


@ gravematter
Of course not! The men spend all day out on the plantation making sure the darkies are working hard.

12/9/2012 7:42:31 AM

Tatting, they must learn that too, and Darning. I hate holes in my socks. Oh, have them learn all the positions in the Kama Sutra, thats going to be a benefit later.
I can buy soap cheaper than she could make it and I doubt if its cost effective to render a cow for the tallow.

12/9/2012 10:23:33 AM

And they learn the skills that are useless in this days because they rely in a more modern and convenient society, from which they expect all kind of services, including the soaps, candles and electric devices and internet, for that matter. If society collapsed, they´d be the first to go, as with the Amish.

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