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Atheism and Agnosticism... Begins with Doubts...

Damaged emotions... rejection, trauma, or lack of love in early life
Obliterated trust... no confidence in authority figures
Unrealistic expectations... faulty thinking about God and religion
Buried belief... no all-powerful God of love
Twisted truth... significance comes from what I do
Seared consciences... calloused to the touch of God

... and Ends with Denial!

"Hope for the Heart", Hope for the Heart Ministries 84 Comments [11/22/2011 6:31:59 AM]
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Jezebel's Evil Sister

Doubt is the beginning of wisdom.

11/22/2011 6:38:14 AM


Why would rejection, trauma, or lack of love in early life lead to atheism? I would expect just the opposite: a turn to religion for comfort.

"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties."

Francis Bacon

11/22/2011 6:43:53 AM


"Atheism and Agnosticism... Begins with Doubts..."

Awww. You say that like it's a bad thing.

How about this (for agnosticism)...

Damaged emotions from the intolerance of overtly religious with a bigoted worldview.
Obliterated trust. Appropriate grain of salt taken towards those who are so confident and forceful in things not proven.
Unrealistic expectations and faith about what lies beyond this world slowly obliterated.
Buried belief in the infallibility of so-called holy texts written by those who knew next to nothing of science.
Twisted truth put forth by arrogant and self-righteous religionists now appropriately labeled in the mind.
Seared "conscience", err, callused to the sense of crippling shame and cognitive dissonance that guilt and fear preachers attempt to instill.

...ending with a Sense of Critical Thinking!

11/22/2011 6:45:17 AM

Jack Bauer

Fallacies - we argue from them.
Unable to grasp the simplest scientific principle.
No gays!
Don't wanna hear anything contrary to our opinions.
Inerrancy of the wholly buybull - even when it contradicts itself.
Everyone has to agree with us or burn in hell for all eternity.
Say what our pastor says!

11/22/2011 6:49:33 AM


Acrostics. The first sign of a diseased mind. Torturing the English language in an attempt to seem intellectual. What point does it prove when you have to badly rephrase your flawed arguments in this torturous way? It's similar to when people start making phrases rhyme as if that actually makes what they're saying more true. Eg: "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve". However you frame it, your arguments are based on absolutely no evidence.

11/22/2011 6:55:44 AM


Anyone who's studied the history of nazism and the Holocaust, or more recently the events in Abu Ghraib, understands why you should not "trust" authority figures, much less uncritically follow them.

11/22/2011 6:55:46 AM


Damaged emotions... Severely traumatized by the actions and words of the church
Obliterated trust... Deciding that authority figures can be wrong
Unrealistic expectations... like any of it actually being true
Buried belief... in the effectiveness of faith
Twisted truth... by requiring it to adhere to reality
Seared consciences... see point 1 and 2

11/22/2011 6:56:13 AM


I prefer the DENNIS system

11/22/2011 6:56:46 AM

David B.

Fundamentalism... Begins with the Bible...

Bull**** stories that no adult could believe!
Intolerance of different beliefs!
Bigotry against people unlike you!
Logical fallacies to explain contradictions!
Evangelism without pause, rest or invite!

...and Ends with Obnoxious, Self-righteous, Ignorance.

(You know, credit where it's due, the fundies do invent some fun games!)

11/22/2011 6:57:39 AM

D Laurier

Oh wait... its an empty platitude.

11/22/2011 6:58:02 AM


Believers feel the need of inventing an all knowing all powerful authority figure who loves them.

Are you sure it's atheists who have a problem?

11/22/2011 6:58:34 AM


Oh dear, I read the rest of that PDF document. Now my brain ran away screaming.

11/22/2011 6:59:49 AM

Doubting Thomas

:massive eyeroll:

Nobody could be an atheist without being emotionally damaged, part 3,484,385.

*edit* Jack Bauer FTW

11/22/2011 7:04:15 AM


Yeah, witty...
All of a sudden I want to ride Jesus...

11/22/2011 7:05:26 AM

Big Jilm

Religion ends with Trepidation

Empty promises
Projection and pandering
Denial of our mortality
Apocalypse lovers
Immoral and intolerant to others
Over zealous

11/22/2011 7:08:55 AM



Oh mommy, look, a poem!

11/22/2011 7:12:42 AM


What, no word-play with Denial? You just leave it there?

Btw, atheists lack belief in ALL gods, not just yours.

11/22/2011 7:21:05 AM


Looks to me like it ends with...er...


If the last letters had actually spelled denial that would have been somewhat impressive.

11/22/2011 7:43:54 AM


Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.


"... and Ends with Denial!"

Funny that 'Doubt' doesn't end in that river in Egypt...:

...although it's where you are, Dope for the Fart.

(emphasis added):

'The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.'

-Bertrand Russell

11/22/2011 7:56:32 AM

Big One

How can you expect anything unrealistic from an omnipotent entity ?

11/22/2011 8:04:34 AM


Well, "Words from the Colon", I have a few theories....

1.) Nobody sees a big guy in the sky & there's no way to prove it.
2.) Science contradicts The Bible A LOT!
3.) The Big Guy in the Sky whom you worship comes across as a complete psychopath! It's like having Stalin floating up there. Yes, there are many moments of The Big Guy as Ghandi but overall, your version Deity seems to be like "Sybil"...hence the "True God/Demiurge" theory out there. STALIN GOD IS AN IMPOSTOR.
4.) The Cosmic Space Stalin could just easily forgiven Adam & Eve and zapped bad guys. Of course, the whole "Free Will/Wants Us To Wing It" makes sense so I'll let that slide.
5.) You fundies are a bunch of boobs who are a threat to civilization.
6.) Some folks just don't "get" the idea of a spiritual anything! However, that's who they are & must be respected. DEEDS, NOT CREEDS!!!

I, for one, am a Pantheist, monist, ShaktaPagan....I don't believe in Deity as a literal one or bunch of magickal beings floating around. To me, Deity IS ALL CREATION. All Deities are metaphors of cosmic principles, forces & archetypes.

....and you are a goober, "No Hope For The Dope".

11/22/2011 8:26:03 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Nope, no damaged emotions here. No obliterated trust, either. Neither do they have unrealistic expectations. I have no idea what "buried belief" is supposed to mean, or how significance coming from actions instead of beliefs is somehow "twisted truth". The consciences of atheists and agnostics are not "seared", in fact they are consistently more moral than Christian fundies. Basically, this entire acrostic poem is wrong.

11/22/2011 8:29:54 AM

God of Love ?

hmmm what was his kill count ?

the population of the entire world -8 people.
The firstborn of egypt.
Kill them all and keep the virgins (a lot more )
love me or die and burn forever

does not seem very loving to me

11/22/2011 8:30:13 AM


wut ? read the pdf, its mind bending dumb.

The writer seems to claim:
1. you cannot say you have not found God unless you have been everywhere , yet he also claims God is everywhere.

2. you cannot see Gravity, yet is obviously exists.

gee, I can test for gravity. How do I test for God?
If God is everywhere, why might he be hiding somewhere else ?

11/22/2011 8:45:45 AM


Oh how cute. When all arguments fail, no matter how convoluted and irrational, poison the well. "Pay no attention to those guys, they're damaged!"

Damaged emotions... being jerked around by one's childhood fears will do that.
Obliterated trust... Santa? Is that you?
Unrealistic expectations... recognizing faulty thinking about God and the alleged afterlife.
Buried belief... no magic sky daddy = clerical bullshit.
Turned perspective... reality is to religion as Galileo's math was to epicycles.
Seared consciences... Only I am responsible for my actions. Can't blame spooky demons.

11/22/2011 8:52:40 AM

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