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Atheism and Agnosticism... Begins with Doubts...

Damaged emotions... rejection, trauma, or lack of love in early life
Obliterated trust... no confidence in authority figures
Unrealistic expectations... faulty thinking about God and religion
Buried belief... no all-powerful God of love
Twisted truth... significance comes from what I do
Seared consciences... calloused to the touch of God

... and Ends with Denial!

"Hope for the Heart", Hope for the Heart Ministries 84 Comments [11/22/2011 6:31:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Wykked Wytch
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LDM

Or maybe we all just grew up, got wise and realized it was all bullshit?

11/22/2011 8:55:42 AM

Papabear

D Well, yes, rejection, for sure. I reject your religious nonsense.

O Question authority.

U Here again, I reject your faulty "thinking" about God and religion.

B No all-powerful God.

T Here again, I reject your twisted, untrue religion.

S Produce your God and I will feel his touch. Until then, STFU and go away.

11/22/2011 9:06:59 AM

Mister Spak

Denial of observable reality
Obtuse to the point of unconconciousness
Unable to understand simple words if those words contradict your religion
Beaten into obedience by fundie parents
Total certainty combined with total ignorance
Shit which you are full of

11/22/2011 9:35:43 AM

Atheissimo

Theism... Begins with Doubts...

Damaged emotions... Believes themselves worthless without an authority figure

Obliterated trust...Thinks the human race is inherently evil

Unrealistic expectations...Thinks everyone else secretly hates 'god'

Buried belief...Hates science, but depends upon it to live

Twisted truth...It doesn't matter what I do in this world because I'm going to the happy place

Seared consciences... I can do whatever I like as long as I say sorry to God afterwards

... and Ends with Denial!

11/22/2011 9:36:42 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Hamster

"The writer seems to claim:
1. you cannot say you have not found God unless you have been everywhere , yet he also claims God is everywhere."

In an episode of "Star Trek: Voyager", via an enhancement to the propulsion systems of a shuttle, Tom Paris was able to attain Warp 10, thus occupying every point in the universe simultaneously. [/smartarse]

"2. you cannot see Gravity, yet is obviously exists."

A rainbow can be seen, but doesn't physically exist. [smartarse II] So what was Dope for the Fart's point again...?

And hasn't DftF here ever seen "Babylon 5" and/or "2010"? The 'Leonov' in the latter, and the Earthforce Omega-Class cruisers (clearly based on the former, with it's central rotating, and thus gravity-creating central sections).

"If God is everywhere, why might he be hiding somewhere else ?"

But not in the 'hearts' of the unsaved. Thus completely fucking up the concept of God, as if he can't be everywhere, he's not omnipotent, thus he's not God, therefore he's a contradiction to himself, ergo he doesn't exist. Q.E. and D.

"why might he be hiding somewhere else ?"

So either:

A- God is a Romulan, thus set out a tachyon grid - that even cloaked ships cannot pass through without being detected - then a Quantum Torpedo or two, and VWAP! Scratch one deity!

B- God is a Yautja (Predator). In which case:

'If it bleeds, we can kill it.'

-Major 'Dutch' Schaefer (Arnold Schwarzenegger), "Predator"

11/22/2011 9:59:21 AM

Bollox

Meh. I've got inured to this sort of cookie-cutter fundagelicality now. I need more batshit insanity from my fundies..

11/22/2011 9:59:54 AM

Osiris

We aren't all Hollywood Atheists, in fact most atheists and agnostics just naturally come to the logical conclusion that religion is a crock of shit.

11/22/2011 10:12:28 AM

Berny

All religions start with HORSESHIT.
I'm too busy to break it down for you but I'm sure you get the drift.

11/22/2011 10:16:06 AM

WWWWolf

Damaged emotions... rejection, trauma, or lack of love in early life, and in certain cases, it goes all the way to pedophilia, holy damn
Obliterated trust... no confidence in authority figures, such as Obama
Unrealistic expectations... faulty thinking about God and religion, such as not really even reading their own Bible and understanding what the hell it even says
Buried belief... no all-powerful God of love, but all-powerful God of death and destruction of unbelievers
Twisted truth... significance comes from what I do, because I only do what everyone else is doing, even when that's completely fucked up
Seared consciences... calloused to the touch of God, even when you have no idea what a word like "calloused" even means

FTFY.

11/22/2011 10:29:03 AM

Anky

Acrostics are cool. Personally I like mesostics better. I wrote one once based on Kent Hovind's "dissertation"

11/22/2011 10:35:15 AM

Dharmabum

Well, now, that was stupid.

11/22/2011 10:54:50 AM



"Atheism and Agnosticism..."

Oh great, another fundie who's going to tell me how/what/why I think/feel... but since he cannot know any of this, he's breaking that damned 9th commandment.

11/22/2011 11:04:27 AM

Rat of Steel

(Anon-e-moose)
"(...) thus set out a tachyon grid - that even cloaked ships cannot pass through without being detected (...)"


What does God need with a starship?

</smartass>

11/22/2011 11:14:12 AM



I was with you until you made the list.

11/22/2011 11:22:50 AM

ShadowNet

Probably the most disturbing thing is that the above contribution is taken from a counselor's quick reference sheet. So if a person comes to you concerned about loss of faith that you're suppose to defend your religious institutions without concern for your patients? Why would anyone even bother asking these assholes for help in the first place?

11/22/2011 11:27:46 AM

aaa

Just another boring as shit website of some irrelevant Ministry.

11/22/2011 11:32:38 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Rat of Steel

"What does God need with a starship?

</smartass>"


11/22/2011 11:46:20 AM

farpadokly

Starts with doubt and ends with denial, yep, that sounds about right.
I must say, the identification of God with "authority figures" is extremely revealing. Can it be that what is being doubted and denied is the authoritarian principle itself?
The other interesting one is "significance comes from what I do". Where else can it come from?

11/22/2011 11:58:33 AM

tmarcl

Damaged emotions... rejection, trauma, or lack of love in early life

I'll grant you this one. It's entirely possible that some atheists began questioning their faith (if any) due to trauma.

Obliterated trust... no confidence in authority figures

Again, granted. However, it's not just "no confidence" it's "lack of confidence due to the evidence." Sorry, but when your religious leaders regularly live a life different than what they claim to believe, it does tend to make one question those beliefs.

Unrealistic expectations... faulty thinking about God and religion

Or rather, correct thinking. See, it's not enough for atheists (like myself) to accept what the pastor says god is like. We have to actually look in the bible, and see what it says he's like. When we do that, and compare that to reality, it does cause us to wonder.

Buried belief... no all-powerful God of love

You're right. Read your bible. God is neither all powerful (weakness vs. iron chariots, for example), nor all loving (willingness to consign people to an eternity of torture for mere disbelief)

Twisted truth... significance comes from what I do

Indeed it does. Interestingly enough, your Jesus seems to agree. Re-read that bit about the sheep and the goats. Who do you think the goats are referring to? Hint: It's not the unsaved.

Seared consciences... calloused to the touch of God

This would fall under the realm of not all powerful. If God truly desires that none should perish (see John 3:16), then why doesn't he do everything in his power to ensure that none perish? If my mind is calloused to his touch, then surely he can break through, being all powerful. If he's all loving, wouldn't he want to do so? Since he doesn't, we have to assume one of three things - either he isn't all powerful, he isn't all loving, or he isn't real.


11/22/2011 12:13:29 PM

tmarcl

@Anon-e-moose:

Thus completely fucking up the concept of God, as if he can't be everywhere, he's not omnipotent, thus he's not God

I'm not sure if omnipotence covers omniprescence. I personally could accept an all-powerful being who was not able to simultaneously inhabit every spot in the universe at once.

11/22/2011 12:18:43 PM

Murdin

Emotions damaged by direct and indirect exposure to the misfortunes of life, versus the neurotic, arbitrary rationalization of injustice and suffering - either as God's punishment for the wicked, or as His way to prepare the righteous for His kingdom.

Permanent questioning of authority figures and rejection of blind trust, versus authoritarian obedience towards a fictional omnipotent being that described Himself as the ultimate source of morality, and therefore we should accept it because there's no point to argue ethics with someone so much stronger than us.

Expectations in a fair world with an absolute morality that matches ours and where everyone get what they deserve, made with the knowledge they are unrealistic, versus those exact same expectations, held unflinchingly.

Burying the beautiful but baseless and ultimately nonsensical belief that there is an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God, versus holding it against all evidence, attacking those who don't, and claiming to be able to speak in His name.

The conviction that our lives are what we make of them, versus the belief that all that matters is beyond our direct perception and that we should just trust the contents of said book and the doctrine of said sect in order to know what's all really about.

Consciences seared by the reality that we only have this existence, versus atrophied moralities that dissociated themselves from reason, empathy and the reality of this world in favor of a conveniently interpretable set of religious legalese that supports every thing they like and condemn every thing they don't.

Fundamentalism begins with denial, and ends where wisdom begins. And even when it plays on its own favored grounds of moralism and emotionalism, nontheism still strikes me as the better choice.

11/22/2011 12:36:53 PM

myheadhurts

citation needed

I think the only one that applies is O, as in Theism begins with O'my theists can be so funny.

11/22/2011 12:39:11 PM

Alencon

What I continue to find fascinating is the fundies' total inability to understand that atheism is simply a lack of belief and not a positive assertion to the effect that "there is no god."

Granted, some so-called "strong atheists" are willing to make such an assertion but most realize that they can no more prove that assertion than the theist can prove that there is a deity.

Now if the end letters in the sentences actually spelled D-E-N-I-A-L, I would have been suitably impressed. I wonder how much time they spent trying to make it come out that way?

11/22/2011 12:40:22 PM

dfmfundies

I think this fundie has a future writing "God for Dummies."

11/22/2011 12:46:47 PM

dfmfundies

Ending with DENIAL, huh?

Damaged emotions... in early life, rejected, traumatized or unloveD
Obliterated trust... no confidence in any authority figurE
Unrealistic expectations... faulty thinking about God and religioN
Buried belief... believes only in "I"
Twisted truth... accepts false dogmA
Seared consciences... mind open only to eviL.

I could probably make a few bucks writing this drivel.

11/22/2011 12:56:46 PM
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