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[Quote begins about 3/4ths of the way down the page. The whole blog post is worth a read, as it's all sparked off by two news stories relating to fundie idiocy - the below quote is merely the icing on the rather unpleasant cake]

When I was in college, (having been raised by hard core leftists) I burned my draft card and gave anti-nuke talks etc. I was immersed in and convinced of the 'moral equivalence' of communism and capitalism. On a whim I went to Europe and went behind the iron curtain. (Yes I am that old) Within a few hours I knew that I had been terribly deceived and that there was no legitimate comparison whatever, on any level, between the 2 systems. I then vowed to read books against everything I thought I knew. I have always been more interested in the truth than in being right.
As the result of 9/11 many people have begun to have the absurd lie of the moral equivalency of Islam and Christianity cleared up. It takes only a few hours of honest unbiased research of Islam to find that it has from it's outset advocated lying, deception, revenge, murder, etc etc. Not only did it's founder teach and practice these things but the history of islam has never seen any significant pause in killing for the specific purpose of their faith. Not only does the Bible specifically condemn deceit, murder etc., but it also warns that any who justify these things or use God to excuse them will be in great peril. It is180 degrees out from Islam. There is a solid logical reason there is never an islamic democrasy. One must be truely ignorant of it's precepts to believe it is anything other than an evil, enslaving, belief system. Futhermore, the only real equivalent christian 'jihad', (the crusades) misguided though they were, were as the direct result of the moslems overunning jerusalem and killing or 'converting' at swordpoint the christians there.

OK, here is the point; As absolutly moronic, uninformed, or deceitful as one must be to utter such things as 'Islam is a pieceful religion' etc. How much vastly more ignorant must one be to suggest there is any equivalence between whichcraft of any shade and christianity. The principles that we refer to as morality are at least given a nod and some even respected by islam. Whereas, all wiccas and their ilk are taught that they are soley and absolutly in charge of what they deem right or wrong *AND* they are activly encouraged to violate every precept of conscience and morality.

John ('Osama made me do it') Walker is a traitor and should be shot or imprisoned, NOT allowed to promote his views or do as he wishes. So too the witches amongst us are not freedom loving folks just doing their thing. They are activly promoting and practising something that has not one single redeeming value and enslaves all that fall under it's influence. Only ignorance or evil would suggest that these people, who are the exact equivalent of John Walker only amongst us, should be free to do whatever they wish.

Mitch in Kentucky, This is True 61 Comments [11/23/2011 7:08:31 AM]
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Doubting Thomas

Yet I still see no difference between Christianity and Islam. One is just a bit more fanatical than the other, that's all.

Islamic extremist does something bad: All Muslims are evil terrorists.

Christian extremist does something bad: He's not a true Christian.

11/23/2011 7:17:43 AM

Atomic Flamethrowing Vagina

I'm Wiccan. I don't impose my religious views on anyone, at all, ever. I know that many require proof before they believe something, and I know I can't provide that. I let everyone live for themselves.

Whereas, you demand that everyone follow your religion without proof, a religion that has killed many over the course of its existence. And then you claim to be more moral than I? Get off your high horse. Wake up. The world does not revolve around you.

11/23/2011 7:17:59 AM


And which craft are we referring to when we say "whichcraft"?

11/23/2011 7:18:30 AM


You oblivious, ignorant liar.

11/23/2011 7:18:38 AM

Crazy Ivan

There was also the inquistion, the purging of the
Huguenots, Killing of pagan believers during the early years, the destruction of the library of alexandria and an infinite list of your crimes.

11/23/2011 7:22:02 AM


went behind the iron curtain. (Yes I am that old)

Oh come on, that was only....oh shit, I'm that old, too.

11/23/2011 7:37:34 AM

Crazy Ivan

Double post, sorry.

11/23/2011 7:45:34 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I don't think that citizens of Western Bloc nations were able to just visit the other side of the Iron Curtain on a whim, so unless you were an ambassador or something (and there is no indication that you were) then I suspect that you're lying on that count.

By the way, the "moral equivalence" between communism and capitalism that was allegedly spoken of (by whom?) doesn't mean that communism is good... it means that capitalism is bad.

In any case, there actually was a reasonably-long pause from Muslims converting non-Muslims at the point of the sword. It was during the Abbasid and Umayyad (I think; I don't remember the exact names of which ones) Caliphates. This period was about 300 years. You can blame Al-Ghazali, who basically succeeded in doing what modern fundies wish to do and banned science in his lands because he was a Koranic fundamentalist, for the fact that all Islamic nations (with the possible exception of Turkey) ceased to be modern and are run by dictatorships, whether theocratic or otherwise. If somehow Christian fundies managed to completely take over America, then the same thing would happen in Christian societies. We do not wish for this to happen. That is why we oppose you at every turn.

11/23/2011 7:50:38 AM

Mister Spak

"It takes only a few hours of honest unbiased research of Islam to find that it has from it's outset advocated lying, deception, revenge, murder, etc etc. "

It takes only a few hours reading rapture retards and freeper posts to find out christianity is the same, except it's restrained by the liberal culture in which it exists. If it wasn't for people like me you would be on a jihad against muslims.

11/23/2011 7:50:59 AM

I got whiplash on the sudden jump from Islan to witchcraft.

wrong about wicca. wrong about Islam.
Not that much difference between Islam and Christianity allowing for the different start dates.

11/23/2011 8:09:25 AM


'There is a solid logical reason there is never an islamic democrasy.'

Yes there are and there have been many more in the past. Even 'Freedom House' considers Indonesia and Mali to be Muslim-majority countries that are fully-fledged free electoral democracies.

11/23/2011 8:20:36 AM


Redeeming feature of the witchcraft practiced by my housemates: It can make for verrry good dinners(Papa kitchen-witches a bit) and has been known to cheer me up when I am blue. Anecdotal, yes. Opinion-based, yes. But true. Magic or no, these people know how to make a calming, encouraging atmosphere happen.

11/23/2011 8:24:03 AM

You know what the Bible says about witches. "Thoe shall suffer not a witch to live" so a True Christian(tm) must go and kill them all.

Ignore the law of the country you live in. Ignore the constitution that grants religious freedom to all. The founders of this nation obviously meant freedom for Christians , and only True Christians(tm) at that.

Rise and smite the ebil unbelievers !!!!!

I think Randy is a bit short of a full bucket.

Wiccans are taught they take absolute responsibility for their actions and that by the threefold rule any evil they do will come back on them x 3 so its not a thing to plan.

11/23/2011 8:24:46 AM


Let's see... has trouble spelling common words, stereotypes entire cultures, can't see the irony in his own post... yep, sounds 'fundie' to me.

11/23/2011 8:26:20 AM


Yeah, ok. You're probably a lifelong conservative redneck who's never left Kentucky. I'll repeat the old adage: lying for Jesus is still lying.

Now get off the computer and go back to fucking your sister.

11/23/2011 8:27:54 AM



Randy is the guy who runs the blog, NOT the guy saying this. That would be a guy called Mitch, who is OBJECTING to Randy's support for freedom of religion.

11/23/2011 8:43:17 AM


Walker is a traitor and should be shot or imprisoned, NOT allowed to promote his views or do as he wishes.

"... with liberty and justice for all."


"God bless America, land ..."

I went to Europe and went behind the iron curtain.

Oh, please elaborate. You make it sound so easy to just go "behind the iron curtain."

Were you a day tourist in East Berlin? That was easy. Anything else was very complicated. Please tell us more about your time "behind the iron curtain."

And remember not to lie. That would be so, errr, Muslim.

11/23/2011 8:54:02 AM


you say you've read books:


wHichcraft (at least go for "wychcraft" if you wanna use old-school spelling)

pIEceful (ouch)

soley and absolutly


not to mention confusing "its" and "it's"

(i'll let fly "practising" as it is a british-authorized spelling)

go and read more. if you want to criticize something, fine, but don't martyrize the english language while doing it! [/grammar nazi]

11/23/2011 8:54:36 AM

Steven Mading

The problem is NOT that the post portrayed Islam in a negative fashion. The problem is that it portrayed Christianity in a positive fashion.

11/23/2011 9:03:46 AM


Pieceful, huh? The Old Testament is really pieceful. It's full of infants and sucklings being dashed to pieces, maidens ravished, livestock wantonly slaughtered and left to rot, pregnant women having their bellies ripped up, Lot's daughters taking revenge on their father offering them to appease the lust of strangers by raping him while he was drunk... Yeah, "Gahd" just loves us humans to pieces, and that's why we have piece on earth.

11/23/2011 9:31:37 AM


The typos in the second-last paragraph were just too funny.

11/23/2011 9:40:17 AM


@ Brendan Rizzo:

I don't think that citizens of Western Bloc nations were able to just visit the other side of the Iron Curtain on a whim

Actually, yeah, we could, within limits. I remember well crossing Romania on an Interrail card ... made you realise British Rail wasn't as bad as all that. And my sister went to Poland several times to see speedway events. It wasn't like North Korea, although they could (and did) refuse entry for any and no reason when they felt like it.

11/23/2011 9:43:52 AM


It's impossible for theocracy and democracy to coexist. Malaysia, Iraq, and Algeria are democracies that recognize Islam as the state religion. I've lost track of how many Muslim nations have made moves towards democracy only for the movement to be quashed by the western world because it's harder to get a democratic nation to do our bidding than it is to bribe a dictator. Mitch is an ignorant, bigoted, idiot who is blind to the evil perpetrated in Jesus' name.

11/23/2011 9:50:07 AM



Actually, yeah, we could, within limits.

Yes, as a short term tourist or in transit. Tourists with prior accomodation arrangements and usually in groups.

Going there for any kind of longer term or residency was a totally different matter.

I was "behind the iron curtain" a number of times for short touristy trips or transits. Everything depended on what country you were in.

However, Mitch the Hick makes it sound different, like he was there for ideological reasons. It wasn't really possible to see the difference "within a few hours", especially for somebody from Kentucky. Lots of things in the countries behind the Curtain looked a lot like things in Kentucky, if not better.

That whole quote sounds like typical fundie preaching style: make an introduction with wild exaggerations, all in the wrong direction, and then turn it around 180 degrees and show how you were "saved" by the "truth".

Fundie sermon 101. Nothing new there.

"I was on the bottle/drugs/sex/liberalism/etc. and then I found a Bible and started to read ..." We've head it all before. This sermon is nothing new.

11/23/2011 10:00:39 AM


Everything depended on what country you were in.

And when you were there. Attitudes and rules for Western visitors varied enormously over time as well as place. And I suspect even somebody from Kentucky could tell it was a shithole fairly quickly ... but he claims to have discerned moral inequivalence, not material.

Actually there was one way for a Westerner to travel to Eastern Europe fairly unhindered, and stay for some time: be a Communist. (Of the right sort, obviously). It was possible then to study for a year or two, get recruited by the KGB, that kind of thing. Is there something Mitch isn't telling us?

11/23/2011 10:09:13 AM

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