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There's a reason that most ancient cultures have worldwide flood legends, you know. I remember in our Spanish class we had to read a legend similar to a lot of things...about people who encountered a giant serpent, which spat water out of its mouth until the whole world was flooded, the people had to flee to a lone mountaintop, they would send out a dove to see if there was any dry land anywhere, and when they finally descended they all magically spoke different languages. Now THAT'S a lot of stories in one legend.

Fortunately the Holy Spirit revealed the truth on these matters or else it would be one big answerless mystery lost to time.

Rei, Rapture Ready 47 Comments [11/23/2011 7:09:56 AM]
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nutbunny

THAT'S a lot of conflation

11/23/2011 7:15:33 AM

Doubting Thomas

Or, you know, the bible could have been borrowed details from this legend.

11/23/2011 7:15:59 AM



There's a reason that most ancient cultures have worldwide flood legends, you know.

Yeah, it's because a lot of ancient cultures used to settle near water sources (for obvious reasons) and the risk of flooding would come along with that. Only, when you're a primitive people who's whole world is the area you live in, when your area gets flooded it can seem like the whole world is flooded.

11/23/2011 7:20:33 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Except for there being a flood, that legend you cited (assuming it's an actual myth) has no similarities to the Biblical story. We'd expect more if there were. Besides, the reason that many cultures have flood stories is because floods are common. It makes sense for all the Mediterranean flood myths to be based on the same flood (for which there is actual evidence) but as there is no geological evidence for a worldwide flood (and how the fuck would the water recede?) the other stories are also based on local floods, because your position is untenable, Zero.

11/23/2011 7:41:02 AM

Freethinker

Uh huh..

So, If I get it right, you dismiss all flood stories as stories, except your own?

Sure.


11/23/2011 7:41:13 AM

Mister Spak

"There's a reason that most ancient cultures have worldwide flood legends, you know."

The reason is, you fundies are so desperate for evidence that your myth is true you lie about how so many cultures have flood myths.

Your imaginary spook is a security blanket for clueless idiots who find the real world an answerless mystery.

11/23/2011 7:48:16 AM

Anon-e-moose

"There's a reason that most ancient cultures have worldwide flood legends, you know"

You know, the ancient Chinese don't however. And their civilisation existed before supposed YECers claim the Earth was 'created'; it existed after, certainly during said supposed 'worldwide' flood, and they were sticklers for record keeping (natch, which is why we know so much about them)- so why isn't there word one of such a cataclysmic, civilisation-annihilating event in their records, pray tell...?

...but then, you don't know about that. Because the non-annihilation of the ancient Chinese at that time would in turn annihilate your beloved Bible, and thus your entire 'beliefs'.

The phrase from Sun Tzu's "The Art of War":

'Know your enemy and know yourself, and you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles'

Exists for a reason.

...oh, and how dare you use as a screename that of one of the best characters in anime:



...however, considering the use of Christian imagery by Gainax in "Neon Genesis Evangelion", you're going to wish you hadn't.

11/23/2011 8:00:42 AM

John_in_Oz

That's nothing, the additional fantasies the 'Answers in Genesis' people are piling on to the original fable makes the original look like a stone age myth compared to Harry Potter!

11/23/2011 8:01:19 AM

Horsefeathers

"There's a reason that most ancient cultures have worldwide flood legends, you know."

Yes. I do know.

They have such floods because, before drilling technology, people tended to live near water you idiot. When there's enough water to provide for a group, town, culture or entire civilization then that water is likely large enough to flood on occasion.

Given that most people of the time would have never gone beyond a few miles of where they were born, a large flood would certainly seem as if the "whole world" had been flooded.

"Fortunately the Holy Spirit revealed the truth on these matters or else it would be one big answerless mystery lost to time."

Yes. One big "answerless mystery" to anyone who doesn't have any damn brains. To everyone else it's not so mysterious at all.

11/23/2011 8:06:23 AM

Tina

Many ancient cultures, despite not interacting with each other, had dragon legends, too. There can't be another explanation, dragons must be real!

11/23/2011 8:08:22 AM

Atheissimo

How can other cultures have flood legends relating to the 'Great Flood' as you seem to be implying?

Surely if there was a worldwide flood that killed all but the eight people on the Ark there wouldn't be any other cultures left to talk about it afterwards?

11/23/2011 8:12:07 AM

Darwin

If ALL cultures had flood legends you might be on to something, but 'most' doesn't cut it.

11/23/2011 8:22:49 AM

Apatheist

The reason every culture has a flood story is almost every culture grew up around a source of water.

11/23/2011 8:37:43 AM

Prager

People like "water-front property". End of discussion.

11/23/2011 8:39:57 AM



Local floods happen, people write about them. You can't explain that.

11/23/2011 8:56:30 AM

Reynardine

Actually, that is called the late Pleistocene/Holocene meltdown, aka global warming. When Glacial Lake Agassiz, Glacial Lake Missoula, and assorted glacier-pent bodies of water were undammed around the world, they not only washed away everything in their paths; sea levels rose measurably around the world, causing catastrophic marine incursions into (quite possibly) the Eastern Mediterranean, the North Sea (drowning Doggerland), the Persian Gulf (drowning the former course of the Shatt al Arab), possibly the Red Sea and the Sea of Japan, the lower course of the Amazon, and more, besides fairly swiftly inundating the former coastal areas of the Netherlands, Bengal, and Florida. Could we do it again? Yep. Greenland could well have a Glacial Lake Agassiz beneath pent beneath its swiftly melting ice, and let's not even think about Antarctica! If it happens, though, these Bible-thumping climate deniers will claim "Gahd" did it because we all liked sex too much.

11/23/2011 9:22:43 AM

Osiris

Can I ask you something? So YEC's believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old, so ignoring all the cultures and civilizations that apparently sprang up ex nihilo over night, how can you account for a global flood during this time frame when many civilizations, like China and Egypt have an uninterrupted history that encompasses 4,000 to 0 BC?

11/23/2011 9:22:45 AM

Mister Spak

Osirus:

All your atheistic uranium dating of Sumeria is wrong. The bible is triumphantly proved right again.

11/23/2011 9:36:04 AM

Bollox

Research the meaning of the word 'Mesopotamia' and then speculate as to why such a place might have a flood story.

11/23/2011 9:37:26 AM

Thinking Allowed

There is only one sentence true to that post. Unfortunately it's not the last one.

11/23/2011 10:10:02 AM

Berny

Every culture has flood stories because every culture has had to endure floods. That's a huge leap from every culture endured a global flood. That's a myth. What you're forgetting is the influence of missionaries on native people and their myythologies. A lot of it was planted then.
The one inescapable fact is the total lack of evidence for a global flood.

11/23/2011 10:12:04 AM

LabRat

And the fact that so many of those cultures with 'omg huge' flood myths lived in river valleys that regularly flooded has nothing to do with it?

11/23/2011 11:03:24 AM

farpadokly

Classic literalist doublethink. This person has just shut off the rational part of his mind. He became aware of the various flood myths and saw the parallels between them. The natural conclusion is that the Biblical story is also a myth, not to be taken literally. But, because "the Holy Spirit revealed the truth on these matters" the Biblical story is to be taken as literal fact, while all the other flood myths are somehow still myths.

11/23/2011 11:44:04 AM

whatever

Wasn't the Black Sea area dry land at one time? I'm sure someone said on a TV program that the area in question was an agricultural based community. It must have been a huge calamity when the land bridge gave way near where Istanbul is today. Is it possible that the flood myth may have developed from stories of that event?

11/23/2011 11:55:07 AM

Swede

Yes, there is a reason; ancient cultures were not aware of how large the world really is. They regarded "The Whole World" as the area which they could reach on foot within a year.

According to my ancient ancestors, we all live in a tree; Yggdrasil.
It must be true, because the Mayans also had a myth about a World Tree.

11/23/2011 12:01:01 PM
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