Quote# 84929

Did you know that the turkey you're going to enjoy on Thanksgiving Day this Thursday is probably halal? If it's a Butterball turkey, then it certainly is -- whether you like it or not.

...I discovered that only two plants in the U.S. that perform halal slaughter keep the halal meat separated from the non-halal meat, and they only do so because plant managers thought it was right to do so. At other meat-packing plants, animals are slaughtered following halal requirements, but then only a small bit of the meat is actually labeled halal.

Now here is yet more poisonous fruit of that scandal.

...Across this great country, on Thanksgiving tables nationwide, infidel Americans are unwittingly going to be serving halal turkeys to their families this Thursday. Turkeys that are halal certified -- who wants that, especially on a day on which we are giving thanks to G-d for our freedom? I wouldn't knowingly buy a halal turkey -- would you? Halal turkey, slaughtered according to the rules of Islamic law, is just the opposite of what Thanksgiving represents: freedom and inclusiveness, neither of which are allowed for under that same Islamic law.

Pam Geller, American Thinker 100 Comments [11/24/2011 7:13:20 PM]
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Huh? What?

That's like saying there's something wrong with Kosher meat. Who cares?

11/25/2011 12:09:21 PM


@ Zimmer:

1st Corinthians 8-4 ... This woman, (and I recall Bryan Fischer saying something similar) is woefully ignorant of what her own bible says.

That's not her bible. The crazy bitch is Jewish.

11/25/2011 12:29:01 PM


The universal disclaimer: "caution, this product may contain traces of nuts, gluten, milk, soy, eggs, shellfish, Allah, Yahweh, and/or Jesus."

11/25/2011 12:52:41 PM


Oh, who cares. Halal is pretty much the same as kosher, and I don't see you bitching about that. Stupid, ignorant bigot.

11/25/2011 12:56:05 PM

Old Viking

I once toured a turkey slaughterhouse. They made the birds engage in marathon dancing until they dropped dead of exhaustion. It didn't seem very religious. Kind of sad, really.

11/25/2011 1:01:01 PM


It's still a trukey regardless of who blessed it. This is like freaking out over eating a kosher turkey, which is essentially the same thing.

11/25/2011 1:29:28 PM


What the hell difference does it make?

11/25/2011 2:20:21 PM


I like turkey. It's.....turkey for cryin' out loud! I had a Hebrew National hot dog several days ago. The grocery store 2 blocks from my daughter's apartment sells only middle east foods. They have really good baba ghanoush. Guess I'm doomed for liking all kinds of ethnic eats. You may want to do some reading about Islamic and Jewish diets. NOT being able to choose what I eat is loss of freedom. You do remember the pilgrims were starving and the Native Americans saved their lives? Look where that got the Native Americans of the U.S.

11/25/2011 3:45:45 PM


A halal turkey?


Oh wait, that's water.

11/25/2011 4:29:59 PM

"American Thinker" must be the most inaccurately named site I've ever seen. "American Conspiracy Freak" would be a better name for it.
Pam, you're as bad as David Icke, except you blame everything on Muslims instead of shape shifting aliens. It's every bit as stupid, though.

11/25/2011 4:42:43 PM


Who gives a flying fuck. If it's delicious then eat it, fool.

11/25/2011 4:45:02 PM


Dead is dead. Turkey is turkey. My only objection is if the animal goes through unnecessary pain for religious stupidity.

11/25/2011 5:30:38 PM

Thinking Allowed

Probably good thing I had prime rib for Thanksgiving dinner then.

11/25/2011 6:00:55 PM


"on Thanksgiving tables nationwide, infidel Americans are unwittingly going to be serving halal turkeys to their families"

Who the he** cares?

11/25/2011 6:26:52 PM


"...meat slaughtered by means of a torturous method: Islamic slaughter. Halal slaughter involves cutting the trachea, the esophagus, and the jugular vein, and letting the blood drain out...although observant Jews are less likely to be exposed to such meat, because they eat kosher." - Pan Geller

"Kosher slaughter, shechita, involves cutting the trachea and esophagus with a sharp, flawless knife. At the same time, the carotid arteries, which are the primary supplier of blood to the brain, are severed"(source)

Halal and Kosher slaughter, mechanically speaking, are virtually identical. Halal slaughter cuts the carotids as well, though Pam doesn't mention it, and both rely on the resulting drop in blood pressure to put the animal to sleep. Observant Jews are eating the exact same meat, sans islamic blessing, so either animal cruelty isn't really part of her problem, or Pam doesn't have a clue clue what she's on about. I'm guessing both.

11/25/2011 6:27:44 PM


Butterball is merely demonstrating true capitalist savvy, by making their product marketable to the widest possible consumer base. They know that the Muslim Americans that do buy a turkey will find that a good selling point, while the vast majority of U.S. consumers couldn't care less one way or another whether their turkey is Halal, or not. So, it's a win-win, all around. Corporations make profits and we get to eat turkey. And nobody really gives a tin sh*t about the rantings of a few fringe lunatics.

It has to be frustrating to be outsmarted by someone named "Butterball", Ms. Geller, eh? I sort of feel sorry for you in a way. But then again, I'm too satiated by eating leftover turkey sandwiches and dressing to really care.

/shrugs :-/

Enjoy your crusade. The rest of us are enjoying Black Friday... truly "supporting America" in a much more meaningful way: with our pocketbooks. :-)

11/25/2011 7:40:21 PM


Dude, I am not Jewish and never was.

I was circumcised, even if it was not a bris.

I am NOT losing my willy to your stupidity.

So I might as well eat the turkey while I'm at it!

11/25/2011 8:25:58 PM


Pam, are you related to Uri?

Kosher slaughter and Halal slaughter are done the exact same way!

11/25/2011 8:28:28 PM


Amazingly enough? There are some very sane comments posted in response to the article from people one would imagine are regular American Thinker readers.

Sounds like the conservatives there think Ms. Geller is full of bullshit too.

EDIT: I take that back. A guy named "Freedomatheart" comments and then a bunch of kooks start ranting that the issue has nothing to do with the Islamic rites themselves and everything to do with creeping Shari'a Law in this country.

11/25/2011 9:58:58 PM


I've got bad news for you, lady, Kosher food, as long as it contains no alcohol, is perfectly halal.

11/25/2011 10:09:03 PM


You...have absolutely NO idea what Halal means, do you?

11/25/2011 11:08:04 PM

Reading through the comments here is an absolute embarrassment.

A religious Jewish woman attacks Islam and more than half of the commenters on FSTDT use this to......insult Christianity!?

"Since you are a Christian,..." She's not.

"Why do I envision Pam Geller as feeling powerful, triumphant, and vengeant by wrapping her halal turkey in bacon?" She's an observant enough Jew that she blanks out the "O" in G-d
but she'll eat bacon? Really?

"That's what Jesus loves" I really don't think she gives a flying fuck what Jesus loves because she doesn't believe in him.

"This woman, (and I recall Bryan Fischer saying something similar) is woefully ignorant of what her own bible says. How embarrassing when, me, an atheist, is more knowledgeable?" That may have something to do with the fact that that is not her Bible. If anyone should be embarrassed, its you.

Just admit it. You don't have a problem with religion. You have a problem with Christianity.

11/25/2011 11:34:00 PM


@ #1352029

People make mistakes, so what?

Anyway, Pamela Geller's religion does not invalidate the fact that her sentiments are utterly stupid.

Also, enough people have pointed out that she must have to eat Kosher food for them (and by extension you) to realize people know she is jewish, so your conclusion is invalid.

As for having a problem with Christianity, sure, as I do for other religions.

Of course, your whole statement whiffs of christian persecution complex.

11/25/2011 11:49:58 PM


In the 1930's you'd have shit yourself if it was kosher turkey. Twenty years later your kids will have the same reaction to rumors of turkeys being tested for thetans.

11/26/2011 12:26:05 AM


@ #1352029

I don't think it's so much having a problem with christianity more than other religions as it is just that it doesn't occur to some people here to wonder whether a particular opinion is, in fact, unique to the christian right. Not so much a vendetta against Christianity specifically as a failure to recognise the diversity out there of people who hold stupid opinons. They hear an opinion popularly spouted by the Christian right, categorise the quote on that basis, and then mock on the basis of their assumed categorisation. Sometimes they get it right; often enough they get it wrong. It irks me too when they don't bother to check, especially if the correct info has already been given in the comments, but I've probably been guilty of the same at times. Yes, it's a bit of an annoyance, but it's not really all that hard to live with.

11/26/2011 12:45:36 AM

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