Quote# 84929

Did you know that the turkey you're going to enjoy on Thanksgiving Day this Thursday is probably halal? If it's a Butterball turkey, then it certainly is -- whether you like it or not.

...I discovered that only two plants in the U.S. that perform halal slaughter keep the halal meat separated from the non-halal meat, and they only do so because plant managers thought it was right to do so. At other meat-packing plants, animals are slaughtered following halal requirements, but then only a small bit of the meat is actually labeled halal.

Now here is yet more poisonous fruit of that scandal.

...Across this great country, on Thanksgiving tables nationwide, infidel Americans are unwittingly going to be serving halal turkeys to their families this Thursday. Turkeys that are halal certified -- who wants that, especially on a day on which we are giving thanks to G-d for our freedom? I wouldn't knowingly buy a halal turkey -- would you? Halal turkey, slaughtered according to the rules of Islamic law, is just the opposite of what Thanksgiving represents: freedom and inclusiveness, neither of which are allowed for under that same Islamic law.

Pam Geller, American Thinker 100 Comments [11/24/2011 7:13:20 PM]
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@ #1352029:

Well, you want to be persecuted, don't you? You ought to feel grateful to us!

11/26/2011 2:18:50 AM

Is this even TRUE? It seems like too much cost/effort for too little percentage of the population for Butterball to bother. I Googled but all the results are bigoted nutjobs screaming about the sharia take over of America.

eta: Further digging reveals they exist to be sold to countries with majority Muslim populations but are not sold in America. Now see, that makes sense.

11/26/2011 4:33:58 AM


Oh dear... American businesses practicing capitalism. The horror!

11/26/2011 5:13:41 AM


Doubting Thomas

Of course, I think it would be funny if this were written by a vegan trying to pull one over on the fundie Christian carnivores.

LOL! You sir win an Internet!

11/26/2011 6:26:18 AM



Oh dear, you seem very upset. Please, sit down and breathe a little, A cup of tea perhaps?

Yes, an honest mistake. This site is so full of quotes from whacky Christian fundamentalists that I made a wrong assumption. I promise to say 20 Hail Mary's and 10 Our Fathers to a non-existent deity as penance.

I indeed didn't do my research prior to commenting, but unlike many individuals on the internet, I have a job and don't always have time to waste on nutjobs.

The bacon comment stems from the opinions I read quite often in which people find it hilarious to place dead pigs in Musilim graves and graveyards and other such nonsense.

Just admit it. You don't have a problem with religion. You have a problem with Christianity.

No, now you're wrong. I think religious people, people from all religions, are intensely stupid. When you, dear #1352029, admonish others for making erroneous assumptions, you should refrain from doing so yourself. Tst, tst. How embarrassing.

Thank you for letting me make you so mad. That really made my day. Isn't the internet fun?

If anyone should be embarrassed, its you.

No, not really. You know, I have a life. Perhaps you should look into getting one too.

11/26/2011 8:47:10 AM


This sounds a lot like a Rapture Ready quote until you find out she's a Jew. Then her objection to ceremonial slaughter is even more stupid.

America: Where everyone has the freedom to be equally stupid!

And yes, I do have a problem with Christianity. It's the loudest, largest, most obnoxious, pig-headed, and hateful religion in my country.

11/26/2011 10:49:29 AM


Freedom and inclusiveness doesn't mean excluding Muslims. Then you'd have exclusiveness.

11/26/2011 11:07:03 AM

Well, we do. And we don't care. Moreover, did you know that I ordered merguez, the typical village saugages eaten in the Middle East and Balkans to honour my husband's Cypriot roots in his birthday?. In fact, the butcher, a Morroccian guy, told me that he had more clients that were Spanish or French than Middle Eastern. Meat is meat, delicious, halal or not.

11/26/2011 11:18:38 AM


@Brendan Rizzo

I know there is a Bible verse that did not condemn eating meat prepared by other religious practices. I think that would be pertinent here.

Unfortunately, it's the opposite: Acts 15:29 forbids meat sacrificed to idols, and the meat of strangled animals.


11/26/2011 1:56:18 PM


Most Christians believe Peter's vision in Acts 10 absolved people from religious dietary restrictions. So Christians can eat anything they want. They aren't prohibited from eating foods just because the foods are also certified for observant Jews or Muslims to eat.

@Brendan Rizzo "I know there is a Bible verse that did not condemn eating meat prepared by other religious practices."

You may be thinking of a verse in the Quran that OKs Muslims to eat things prepared by people "of the book" (i.e., Christians and Jews), provided the food and slaughtering follow the halal rules.

11/26/2011 2:30:41 PM


@ tmarcl

I'd say the authority of that is arguable, since it's from a letter of advice written by some general combination of "apostles and church elders". Between that letter and Paul's epistles, I'm more inclined to listen to Paul's aruments - for one thing, he actually makes some.

Paul says in 1 Cor 8 that eating food sacrificed to idols is not inherently wrong, as the idol is not a god and Paul says that food does not bring one closer to or further from God. He does, however, follow this up by saying that it is wrong if it leads your brothers and sisters in Christ into sin. He appears to change his tune in chapter 10, but it seems to me that he's making a distinction between attending a sacrifice and eating there, and buying food at a market that may or may not have been sacrificed to idols and not agonising over it. This situation is more akin to the latter, if she were Christian (and agreed with me,) Pam would probably have nothing to worry about. Eating meat that is known to have been sacrificed to idols while a guest in someone's home is condemned, not because it's inherently sinful (Paul says it has nothing to do with your own conscience) but because to eat it might hurt your host's relationship with God - possibly in the sense of damaging your witness.

11/26/2011 9:51:22 PM



"I'm more inclined to listen to Paul's aruments"

Why don't you close the bible, put it back on the shelf, and live a life free of oppression from the long distant past?

11/26/2011 10:08:14 PM


And we should give a flying fuck because...?

11/26/2011 10:49:05 PM

Even if she's Jew, the comments are utterly ridiculous for a reason, and it's called "the kosher nostra". The fact that a religious community gets a certificate respecting the dietary laws they observe is just a way to make business, in the same way that the Jews who demand a kosher certification don't want either to impose their way of thinking or support terrorism. People who live in glass houses.................

11/27/2011 5:37:27 AM


@ sufficient

Because I believe that humans are worse than we should be, that we clearly can't fix that by ourselves (or we would have), that wrongdoing must be paid for, and that God, in his mercy, chose to make the necessary sacrifice himself rather than condemn us. I believe the bible is an account of how that came about, and I consider its words to be valuable. Disagree with me if you please; I have seen the hand of God at work in my life, and in the lives of others, and I don't expect you to believe on any less evidence - but don't assume because I disagree with you that I'm an idiot, or that I'm living in fear and oppression.

On a side note, regardless of your religious position, suggesting that ignorance of culturally relevant texts is some kind of intellectually superior position is ridiculous.

11/27/2011 1:47:44 PM


Halal and Kosher slaughter practices should be banned. They are inhumane and cause unnecessary suffering and they force others' religious beliefs on me. Keep religion out of schools, food and secular society.

11/27/2011 2:22:02 PM


You're just as retarded if you think Islamic law does someehow allow freedom and inclusiveness.

11/28/2011 2:07:53 AM


Much better to eat chickens that have been stomped on and blown up with rubber hoses by the plant workers.

11/28/2011 2:11:08 PM


@tmarcl & Brendan Rizzo

Of course, it would matter ether way in this case cuz Allah/Jehovah/HaShem are one & the same. Of course, fundies deny it to death but that's what makes fundies "fundy".

11/28/2011 3:56:26 PM

@ Gloria:

"I believe the bible is an account of how that came about..."

Why not the book of Mormon? Or the Tao?

11/29/2011 11:31:42 AM


Actually, unless it's a Jewish or Islamic owned slaughter house, they're not likely to be slaughtered in accordance to kosher/halal ritual conditions...

While I don't agree with the anti-Islamic sentiment, kosher/halal ritual slaughter is just cruel. I don't really make much of an effort to protest, but unless I'm drunk I won't knowingly eat or purchase kosher/halal meat.

Just in case you're unaware, kosher/halal ritual slaughter requires that the animal be alive and conscious when it's throat is slit and it is hung up to bleed out.

Modern slaughterhouse techniques involve stunning the animal prior to death, usually by instant destruction of parts of its brain with a bolt gun.

11/30/2011 6:32:50 AM


The taste will still be the fucking same, although if you cook the way you think the taste will probably be pretty shitty.

11/30/2011 8:01:39 AM



"America: Where everyone has the freedom to be equally stupid!"

Well maybe it's time stupidity was made illegal in the US. Otherwise, not for nothing is China set to overtake the US in scienrtific R&D in less than two years.

I suggest you watch the comedy Sci-Fi film "Idiocracy". It becomes less of a fictional scenario with subsequent viewings, I find (especially re. the Teabaggers and their precious candidates, as I've seen on TV of late).

It's as if the director Mike Judge has been lurking here in FSTDT, and taking notes...!

11/30/2011 8:24:37 AM


@ 1353082

Sincere interest, or just making a nuisance of yourself? I don't mind having an honest, two-way conversation about it, but I don't come here to get into pointless (and usually endless) apologetics arguments.

11/30/2011 2:07:22 PM

Quantum Mechanic

Pam Geller is a turkey.

4/18/2012 11:35:32 AM

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