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Saudi Arabia is the only country to deny women the right to drive. But despite renewed protests against the ban this year, resistance to change remains strong among conservative royals and clerics.

A report this week by Kamal Subhi, a former professor at King Fahd University, warned that allowing women to drive would provoke a surge in prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce. Within 10 years of the ban being lifted, it warned, there would be "no more virgins" in the kingdom.

Mr Subhi, who sent his report to all 150 members of the Shura Council, the country's legislative body, said moral decline was already discernible in other Gulf states where women were allowed to drive.

Kamal Subhi, The Australian 59 Comments [11/26/2011 3:54:48 AM]
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Wait, if you marry girls so young is understandable that there are no more virgins. Think about that.

11/26/2011 11:24:20 AM



Unless he's talking about lesbianism, how is women driving going to have any impact on male homosexuality?

11/26/2011 11:25:14 AM

SpukiKitty

"A report this week by Kamal Subhi, a former professor at King Fahd University, warned that allowing women to drive would provoke a surge in prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce."

...THEN THE STARS WILL FIZZLE & THE MOON WILL EXPLODE! IT'LL RAIN CRAP! EVERYONE WILL TURN GREEN! POLYESTER LEASURE SUITS WILL BE POPULAR AGAIN! DOGS & CATS, LIVING TOGETHER! MASS HYSTERIA! THE HORROR...THE HORROR...!!! *singing* Ah seeeeen the Bayd Moon Riiiissinnnn'....

11/26/2011 11:26:00 AM

Brendan Rizzo

People, people. I do think that we need to give Saudi Arabia an ultimatum. "Give women the same rights as men and stop being a repressive theocracy OR ELSE." Not nuclear weapons, obviously, but it was the only thing I could think of at the time. (And also bear in mind that I was enraged by reading about this. People do not think rationally when angry.)

In retrospect, a better ultimatum would probably be, "Do it or we will cease to buy oil from you", but the oil companies would never allow that...

11/26/2011 11:29:59 AM

aaa

Classic case of hyperbole with rectal data. Nothing special.

11/26/2011 11:36:39 AM

Sasha

I knew an American diplomat's wife stationed in Riyadh who drove wearing a disguise: gloves, sunglasses, and a khaffiyeh. I'll bet several internets that she's not the only female driver in Saudi Arabia.

11/26/2011 11:42:34 AM



You can't actually lose your virginity while driving a car --oh -- wait -- hmm - nevermind

The back seat in old cars was way more comfortable.

Surely there would be SOME virgins.Maybe those girls under 6 ?

11/26/2011 11:52:44 AM



@Brendan Rizzo

We can't just change a culture that quickly. It'll take several reforms, and a lot of effort. And I'm willing to bet that many people would rather die than give it up. All you'll be doing is giving an actual legit excuse for terrorists to hate us.

Jeez, we have our own problems we have to take care of.

11/26/2011 11:55:10 AM

Anon-e-moose

@#1352269

"@Brendan Rizzo

We can't just change a culture that quickly. It'll take several reforms, and a lot of effort. And I'm willing to bet that many people would rather die than give it up."

Three words: Libya. Muammar Gaddafi:



...just throwing that one out there. >:D

11/26/2011 12:51:28 PM



Brendan Rizzo has a point (in his second post--not the nukes, obviously) about giving Saudi Arabia and all other Muslim theocracies some sort of sanctions for their human rights abuses against women.

If you were to substitute Jews, or Hindus, or any racial minority for women, and subject them to the same laws and restrictions imposed upon Muslim women, the UN and the whole world would be up in arms, drawing parallels to Nazi Germany.

In fact that actually did happen when the US fitst went into Afghanistan after 9/11, and it became publicized that the Taliban required Hindus to wear certain identifying clothing (yellow, IIRC). While there was much discussion about the deplorable treatment of the women there, that was, and still is, regarded as simply a "cultural" thing for us to shake our heads at. But the stigmatization of Hindus, who were for the most part left alone but for the dress requirements, was regarded as a far greater and more dangerous evil.

After all, it's only women, who've been used to taking it for thousands of years. Oil is so much more important.

11/26/2011 1:02:27 PM



Funny how moral decline is always measured in the Muslim world by women's behavior, never the men's.

11/26/2011 1:13:36 PM

Old Viking

Illegal parking will become a common occurrence.

11/26/2011 1:21:00 PM

whoanelly

I'm going to say something wild and crazy here: who cares about virginity?

I hate how society fetishizes virginity. It's really not important, and why is it such an issue? And don't even get me started on the whole double standard. Concern about virginity should be done away with-the only concern being the concern of the virgin themselves, or their lack of concern.

11/26/2011 1:55:24 PM

Mr Blur

It's true - my wife drives our car and now there are no virgins left in the house!

11/26/2011 2:43:57 PM

werewolf

This is a load of manure and has no basis in reality. However, my opinion that Mr. Kamal Subhi is a dickhead would seem to be correct.

11/26/2011 3:32:22 PM

Skatepunk

Try not to fall off of that slippery slope of yours, Kamal.

Yet more proof that my Muslim friends were right in that the next generation in the middle east needs a proper education more than anything.

11/26/2011 5:05:47 PM



Fundies sure love slippery slopes, don't they?

11/26/2011 5:29:11 PM

TheJebusFire

[Within 10 years of the ban being lifted, it warned, there would be "no more virgins" in the kingdom.]

AND RIVERS WILL RUN BLOOD AND NAZIS WILL ONCE AGAIN RIDE DINOSAURS!

11/26/2011 7:26:58 PM

Raised by Horses

This makes the average slippery slope look like a thermoplastic hammock. This even goes beyond the usual "90 degree angle lathered with KY jelly" arguments from we get from fundies. It's more like a sharp cliff that's starting to curve back in on itself from below.

11/26/2011 8:28:26 PM

Shadoboy

Slippery slope? Nah, this is a fucking slippery sinkhole.

11/26/2011 10:43:31 PM

rebel

Y'know many of my (girl) friends have lost their "V plates" or virginity if you will, already. Pray tell, why the hell am I the one who has to drive them somewhere?

11/26/2011 11:31:54 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

What, is the stick shift going to plant impure thoughts in their minds? 'cause I'm pretty sure that it's still possible to see it from the back seat.

11/27/2011 4:59:51 AM

D Laurier

We spend billions every year to support this disgusting regime.
You americans spend even more to support this same regime.

I want my taxes refunded

11/27/2011 7:04:24 AM

D Laurier

@ Brendan Rizzo
Not nukes. Just stop supporting the ruling family (The House of Saud). There are a few other noble familys in the area who tend to be a whole lot more progressive.
Of course those other familys also tend to support holding onto the oil untill later, arab unity, irrigation projects to support domestic agriculture, industrialization, domestic ownership of trade and resources, and all those other things that the democracy lists as "terrorism".


11/27/2011 7:15:36 AM

Anon-e-moose

@D Laurier

"Just stop supporting the ruling family (The House of Saud)."

The perfect way of doing so: the car companies start making more cars powered by hydrogen fuel cells. Make such cheap (they eventually will become so, as mass production drives down prices)

Then Saudi Arabia (and thus the House of Saud, also the Wahhabi clerics) are fucked. The price to pay for relying upon just one resource for your country's wealth.

Volkswagen make a £2-3 million loss on each Bugatti Veyron sold. A small price to pay, US car companies, for destroying a country whose rulers you've previously had to kiss the arses of, right?

It'd be worth it when - in the future - said House of Saud - now destitute, and it's 'king' in rags, having to kiss your arses, and in return for the privilege of selling it's oil as a mere lubricant, all religion in that country has to be scrapped, said Wahhabi clerics be publicly executed, and Mecca to become a tourist attraction for all people. Even Atheists.

Moral: In Japan, the phrase in business circles (from small shops, to major industries) 'The customer is God' exists for a reason.

11/27/2011 1:02:17 PM
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