Quote# 84967

They laugh at the fact that the Bible claims that people before the flood lived to be hundreds of years old. They also laugh at the idea that there was enough water to flood the whole earth and that it then receded somewhere.

I said these are kind of related, and I believe that they are. First let me quote from Genesis:

Genesis 1:6-7 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." [7] So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.

So we see from this that God separated the water under the expanse (sky) from the water above the expanse (sky). Now think about what water above the sky would be like. Well it would most likely be very high in the atmosphere at the edge of space, which we know is very cold. So the water would have been an ice layer above the breathable atmosphere.

What would an ice layer like that do? It would filter out solar radiation for one. We know today that solar radiation has a lot to do with cancer and aging, both in animals and humans. So if this ice layer were to filter out some or all of this radiation, what would you expect to happen to those people and animals that lived under this filter? They would have less disease and live longer!

Secondly, an ice layer would cause a greenhouse effect on the earth, making the temperatures more moderate throughout the world. Could this explain the frozen animals in the Arctic that have been found with green vegetation in their stomachs?

Thirdly, it would put pressure on the atmosphere. What you would have is a natural barometric chamber covering the whole earth. Again, what would you expect that to do to the people and animals on the earth? All you have to do is look at what modern medicine and science use barometric chambers for today to find out the answer. If a person has a limb amputated and then reattached they are often placed in a barometric chamber and given high concentrations of oxygen to help the healing process. Now, remember the greenhouse effect the ice layer would have produced, meaning that there would have been more oxygen-producing plants on the earth. So the end result would be healthier and longer living humans.

Ralph, Behind The Badge 66 Comments [11/27/2011 5:44:56 AM]
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Didn't Thunderfoot debunk this recycled Hovind nonsense a long time ago?

11/27/2011 11:58:54 AM


Just. No.

11/27/2011 12:43:03 PM


I'm not a scientist, but wouldn't the sun melt the ice layer?

11/27/2011 1:21:15 PM

Old Viking

This should be published. So more people can laugh.

11/27/2011 1:23:03 PM


11/27/2011 1:27:25 PM


Ever considered the idea that Noah's Ark was probably nothing more than a fun story?

I stopped believing that story a long time ago.

That was also the moment I realized Christianity had flaws.

How old was I? 10 or 11.

11/27/2011 2:44:27 PM

Well, he's sort of right on one point. It would filter out solar radiation. Including all that heat and light and stuff we sort of need to live. At that point, I don't think air pressure is going to matter so much.

11/27/2011 4:00:01 PM


Let's sing Ralph's theme song . . .

"Let the dumb shine in,
Face it with a mental grin,
Just shut down your brain,
And let the dumb shine in."

11/27/2011 5:23:17 PM


Beyond stupid.

11/27/2011 6:01:05 PM


Since nobody seems to have mentioned it yet, a barometric chamber is used to simulate extremely high altitudes, where pressure is significantly reduced. I do believe Ralphie meant hyperbaric chamber, which creates the opposite effect.

It is just awesome when idiots possess just enough scientific jargon to make their lunacy sound reasonable to other idiots.

11/27/2011 6:44:20 PM


And yet, despite this very scientific explanation for the Flood, there is absolutely no evidence that it ever occurred.

Odd, that.

11/27/2011 7:31:59 PM


Holy falling ice shards captain!

11/27/2011 7:51:40 PM


Holy falling ice shards captain!

11/27/2011 7:54:13 PM


Boring word salad is boring. And from the portion I read, pretty batshit.

11/27/2011 8:35:58 PM


You are profoundly retarded if you even think such an ice layer would be even remotely possible and still allow life to exist on this planet.
This ridiculous hypothesis has been analyzed by scientists (real ones now, not "Bible" scientists) and has been thoroughly destroyed.

11/27/2011 10:38:50 PM


Oh, not this stupid idea made popular by Hovind (a convicted felon I might add) again. Okay lets debunk point by point, as well as pretending that somehow the laws of physics allowed such a layer of ice.

On solar radiation:
That would have to be so thick in that it would be pitch black in darkness under the ice, and plants need light to grow thus would kill the animals, herbivores and carnivores (for they eat the herbivores for the most part) and us as well. Not to mention that some if the radiation is heat, which we as well as plants and other animals need.

On the greenhouse effect:
That would be bad, very bad. The greenhouse is where light and heat come in, but they don't leave. Walk into a greenhouse in the middle of winter, it's warm to hot. That's why it's called a called a greenhouse, so that it can grow things even in winter. So the heat would rise and rise, thus boiling all life dead.

On increased pressure:
Again, that would be bad, very bad. It would RAISE pressure, which you don't want, it would crush you. Also assuming it didn't, too much oxygen is toxic believe it or not and will kill you.

11/27/2011 11:40:35 PM


See, the problem is, for your theory to work, the ice/water would be so thick that sunlight would never reach the earth. You know what happens without sunlight, right?

11/28/2011 1:07:49 AM


After writing all that you still can't work out why they laugh at you?

11/28/2011 1:48:34 AM

Raised by Horses

In short: "I'm hopping mad that people are laughing at the incredible claims made by the Bible, so I'm going to interpret and quote Bible verses at them until they change their minds."

Guess what we're doing right now.

11/28/2011 2:27:20 AM


Have you read the rest of that page??? Good lord, this guy MUST be a POE?!

11/28/2011 2:28:17 AM


Oh wait, he's a deputy sherrif. Right. Don't shoot him.

11/28/2011 3:07:45 AM

Godless heathen

Take the bible literally if you want, just don't try and use science to justify it. It only makes you look even more foolish

11/28/2011 3:49:52 AM

David F Mayer

Such a dome would be unstable and would collapse instantly of its own weight.

11/28/2011 4:02:24 AM


You know what's funny? If this would actually be true then people like Moses or Abraham or Adam & Eve who supposedly lived hundreds of years, werent so because they were special, or because they had importance to god; because according to Ralph, EVERY human plant and animal lived this long due to the solar-radiation-scifi-magic.
he's actually ignoring core points of his own religion just to make a bogus claim. Way to go...

11/28/2011 5:25:25 AM

Mister Spak

"Secondly, an ice layer would cause a greenhouse effect on the earth, making the temperatures more moderate throughout the world. Could this explain the frozen animals in the Arctic that have been found with green vegetation in their stomachs? "

A layer of ice would cause warm temperatures and frozen animals?

"Thirdly, it would put pressure on the atmosphere."

No, dumbass, ice floats on water, not on air.

11/28/2011 5:58:36 AM

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